Packers Cheerleader responds to cyber-bullying

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

These videos where people sit there and hold up sheet after sheet of paper are really starting to wear out their welcome. I've seen more than enough to lose patience in them at this point.

I'm disappointed a number of you with callous responses.

Maybe the Packer's cheerleader's video is a poor copy to what Amanda Todd did.

Realize many of you react before you know WTH is really going on so I'll thumbnail it.

• Amanda, a teen in BC, Canada gets on social media
• Some creepy guy (who is currently under arrest for preying on another teen girl) entices her to sext
• Amanda falls for it
• Creepy guy turns from 'friend' to nightmare by publizing sexting photos of Amanda
• Amanda's parents move a couple of towns because school kids make it unbearable for her
• She gets treatment for depression, make a video
• Last year, she took her own life....think she was just 14.

....the the response of some here is ****TOUGH LUCK****

Some of the same people that might hate on Ben Roethlisberger, Jerry Sandusky...this creep in BC drove a teen to take her life!!!

The credibility of some here took a plunge - you rant about stuff you either don't really know or worse don't care.

Oh the internet is so wonderful as it enables people to anonymously say things that elsewhere would get them beat to a pulp or arrested - even in an anything goes Northern European country.

Sports vitrol is one thing but contempt at victims of trollers making their life a living Hell even to the point of sucide...do you have enough sense to be ashamed of yourselfs? Probably not.

Maybe I should spend less time here.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

I'm disappointed a number of you with callous responses.

Maybe the Packer's cheerleader's video is a poor copy to what Amanda Todd did.

Realize many of you react before you know WTH is really going on so I'll thumbnail it.

• Amanda, a teen in BC, Canada gets on social media
• Some creepy guy (who is currently under arrest for preying on another teen girl) entices her to sext
• Amanda falls for it
• Creepy guy turns from 'friend' to nightmare by publizing sexting photos of Amanda
• Amanda's parents move a couple of towns because school kids make it unbearable for her
• She gets treatment for depression, make a video
• Last year, she took her own life....think she was just 14.

....the the response of some here is ****TOUGH LUCK****

[View Full Quote]Some of the same people that might hate on Ben Roethlisberger, Jerry Sandusky...this creep in BC drove a teen to take her life!!!

The credibility of some here took a plunge - you rant about stuff you either don't really know or worse don't care.

Oh the internet is so wonderful as it enables people to anonymously say things that elsewhere would get them beat to a pulp or arrested - even in an anything goes Northern European country.

Sports vitrol is one thing but contempt at victims of trollers making their life a living Hell even to the point of sucide...do you have enough sense to be ashamed of yourselfs? Probably not.

Maybe I should spend less time here.

Ok, tell me the name of the cheeleader in OP's video.

If you want to cluelessly compare this to Amanda Todd (a person who was directly victimized multiple times, in multiple ways), then get your facts straight.

No one here is condoning the Amanda Todd story. That was true bullying in many forms. You might not understand the difference, but don't be so quick to judge others who actually do.

[ScipioCowboy]

This does seem to fall under the definition of cyber bullying. It's certainly not as severe as Amanda Todd's case, but it's cyber bullying nonetheless.

Here's an idea: Let's all just be decent human beings.

[VietCowboy]

I have a feeling a lot of people posting in this thread would have told their child who was complaining about other student in the class teasing them to quite their whining or STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Most kids do get through life with bullying, but it is still bullying regardless of the degree of inflicted harm on the victim.

Bullying, of any kind, is an act intended to threaten, coerce, or inflict harm. Insulting someone, particularly if it was repeatedly like in this situation across perpetrators. Just read many website's definition of bullying and you'll see this fits in.

Bullying is persistent unwelcome behaviour, mostly using unwarranted or invalid criticism, nit-picking, fault-finding, also exclusion, isolation, being singled out and treated differently, being shouted at, humiliated, excessive monitoring, having verbal and written warnings imposed, and much more

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bully.htm

Verbal bullying means:
Name-calling
Teasing
Insulting

http://pbskids.org/itsmylife/friends/bullies/

Verbal bullying includes name-calling, insulting, intimidating, mocking, threatening, taunting, teasing, and making racist, sexist, or sexual comments. When does teasing cross the line and turn into bullying? Not everyone agrees, but some researchers (Froschl, Sprung, and Mullin-Rindler, 1998) see both teasing and bullying as points on a continuum of intentionally hurtful behavior, different only in degree. In a study of bullying in the Midwest, Ronald Oliver, John H. Hoover, and R. J. Hazler (1994) found that students are confused about teasing: They said it was done in fun, but they also ranked it as the most frequent bullying behavior. Verbal abuse is the most common form of bullying for both sexes (Kochenderfer and Ladd, 1996; Nansel et al., 2001)

- emphasis added by me

http://www.education.com/reference/a...easing-school/

[ScipioCowboy]

Originally Posted by VietCowboy

I have a feeling a lot of people posting in this thread would have told their child who was complaining about other student in the class teasing them to quite their whining or STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Most kids do get through life with bullying, but it is still bullying regardless of the degree of inflicted harm on the victim.

Bullying, of any kind, is an act intended to threaten, coerce, or inflict harm. Insulting someone, particularly if it was repeatedly like in this situation across perpetrators. Just read many website's definition of bullying and you'll see this fits in.

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bully.htm

http://pbskids.org/itsmylife/friends/bullies/

- emphasis added by me

[View Full Quote]http://www.education.com/reference/a...easing-school/

[MonsterD]

Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy

This does seem to fall under the definition of cyber bullying. It's certainly not as severe as Amanda Todd's case, but it's cyber bullying nonetheless.

Here's an idea: Let's all just be decent human beings.

I agree but there is a bigger picture than just stop hating ppl on the internet and that is, do people have the right to post a picture and make comments about it?

I mean if it were a picture of her in a dress at a formal event and someone comments that she should not wear that dress because it looks wrong on her or it is incorrect for that event, is that cyber-bullying?

I think I have to side with the ones saying that they can post pictures and make comments, even the rude ones like this. I still think they are jerks for doing it but they have the right to be crass, and facebook agrees with them.

Also there are laws governing some actions on the internet, i.e. death threats, or defamation etc.

It is a grey area because if this were not an adult and it were a 13 year old girl it would be different the way it is handled.

[ScipioCowboy]

Originally Posted by MonsterD

I agree but there is a bigger picture than just stop hating ppl on the internet and that is, do people have the right to post a picture and make comments about it?

We're not really discussing rights here. The fact that someone has a right to insult someone else doesn't negate the possibility of bullying. Breaking a law isn't a prerequisite for bullying.

And doesn't she have the right to make a video in which she calls out her tormentors?

Personally, I like the way she went about it. She didn't get the law involved. She simply made a video to turn public pressure against the page. Kudos to her.

I mean if it were a picture of her in a dress at a formal event and someone comments that she should not wear that dress because it looks wrong on her or it is incorrect for that event, is that cyber-bullying?

I think I have to side with the ones saying that they can post pictures and make comments, even the rude ones like this. I still think they are jerks for doing it but they have the right to be crass, and facebook agrees with them.

Also there are laws governing some actions on the internet, i.e. death threats, or defamation etc.

It is a grey area because if this were not an adult and it were a 13 year old girl it would be different the way it is handled.

Depends on the how the comment was offered, but probably not. However, there's a rather wide difference between offering commentary on one's choice of attire and the comments seen in this video.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by VietCowboy

I have a feeling a lot of people posting in this thread would have told their child who was complaining about other student in the class teasing them to quite their whining or STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Most kids do get through life with bullying, but it is still bullying regardless of the degree of inflicted harm on the victim.

Bullying, of any kind, is an act intended to threaten, coerce, or inflict harm. Insulting someone, particularly if it was repeatedly like in this situation across perpetrators. Just read many website's definition of bullying and you'll see this fits in.

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bully.htm

http://pbskids.org/itsmylife/friends/bullies/

- emphasis added by me

[View Full Quote]http://www.education.com/reference/a...easing-school/

If my child or other loved one were being directly bullied in any way, we would address it to make sure that it ended.

Cyber bullying, and real life bullying, are unfortunately not as easy to avoid as merely just not clicking on a specific facebook page.

This girl in the OP was a public celebrity (cheerleaders for NFL teams certainly fit that category), and she's upset that fans of other teams said mean stuff about her. According to her, it's ok to say nice stuff...just stop the mean stuff.

BIG difference between that and the bullying that you speak of.

Now, should we all be decent with each other in general? Of course.

Like I said previously, if Facebook (and their army of brilliant people assigned who specialize in these exact matters) factually determined that it wasn't cyber bullying, then I'd go with their assessment.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by notherbob

Actually, I think she is quite lovely, even in the controversial picture. It is the inconsiderate and unruly fans that are ugly. But then, how would you know how stupid they are if they didn't open their mouths and tell you?

When you get older, you can appreciate youth a bit more I think. That girl, to me, is not ugly. She is not a beauty queen but I don't think that only people who are drop dead gorgeous qualify as pretty either. It's unfortunate that people are as superficial as they are and it's even worse that the net provides a forum from which to compound this behavior 10K fold.

It's the reality of life today. What will result from this is that a girl like this will not want to be a cheerleader. Only girls who are physically gorgeous will want to and that's a shame.

[VietCowboy]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

If my child or other loved one were being directly bullied in any way, we would address it to make sure that it ended.

Cyber bullying, and real life bullying, are unfortunately not as easy to avoid as merely just not clicking on a specific facebook page.

This girl in the OP was a public celebrity (cheerleaders for NFL teams certainly fit that category), and she's upset that fans of other teams said mean stuff about her. According to her, it's ok to say nice stuff...just stop the mean stuff.

BIG difference between that and the bullying that you speak of.

Now, should we all be decent with each other in general? Of course.

Like I said previously, if Facebook (and their army of brilliant people assigned who specialize in these exact matters) factually determined that it wasn't cyber bullying, then I'd go with their assessment.

I'm sorry if you are using Facebook's determination as your reasoning. The fact of the matter is that Facebook errs on the side of freedom of speech. Here's another example of Facebook not doing anything, and it is clearly cyberbullying:

http://www.euronews.com/2013/01/07/f...yber-bullying/

She dared to criticise a rather macho Facebook page that was sneering at women. Her photoshopped face then appeared, bruised, along with rape threats and insults.

So that is not cyberbullying? making threats? Yet, facebook did nothing.

[ABQCOWBOY]

To be fair, I doubt any of us really know what was said about her. I doubt very much that it ended with things like, she's ugly or she needs a bag over the head. I'm certain it was much worse then that.

Has she opened herself up to that by being a cheerleader? I suppose she has but that doesn't make it right and it certainly doesn't excuse public forums, such as team sites or Facebook from allowing it to happen. Even we, on this site, have rules against such things and we are much smaller then either of those. No excuse for allowing the content IMO.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by VietCowboy

I'm sorry if you are using Facebook's determination as your reasoning. The fact of the matter is that Facebook errs on the side of freedom of speech. Here's another example of Facebook not doing anything, and it is clearly cyberbullying:

http://www.euronews.com/2013/01/07/f...yber-bullying/



So that is not cyberbullying? making threats? Yet, facebook did nothing.

Are you even reading this thread? We've already addressed the difference between altering images/directly threatening someone vs. OP's story.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

To be fair, I doubt any of us really know what was said about her. I doubt very much that it ended with things like, she's ugly or she needs a bag over the head. I'm certain it was much worse then that.

Has she opened herself up to that by being a cheerleader? I suppose she has but that doesn't make it right and it certainly doesn't excuse public forums, such as team sites or Facebook from allowing it to happen. Even we, on this site, have rules against such things and we are much smaller then either of those. No excuse for allowing the content IMO.

Not to derail this discussion, but there are tons of threads on this forum that mock Jerry for many things. Garrett is also constantly mocked for being a ginger.

Don't even get me started on all the Romo hate.

These fans said non-PG stuff about the cheerleader, but as a public figure, she has the option to ignore it, just like Jerry Jones has the option of not registering for CZ and reading all the posts urging him to kick the bucket already.

Now, if Jerry goes out of his way to join this forum, and then gets sad because people on here hate him, should he just make a little video like this to get everyone here to stop doing it?

This girl has the option of ignoring that fan page. She's not even a Bears fan. It's not like she needs to read that page for any reason.

True victims of cyber bullying don't quite have it easy like that unfortunately. They're attacked personally and viciously. Amanda Todd was attacked for being Amanda Todd. Not for being a Packers cheerleader. BIG difference.

It's a bit more complicated than eagerly wanting to read about yourself and then getting all sadface when everyone doesn't like you (moreso bc of the organization that you associate with over who you are personally).

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Ok, tell me the name of the cheeleader in OP's video.

If you want to cluelessly compare this to Amanda Todd (a person who was directly victimized multiple times, in multiple ways), then get your facts straight.

No one here is condoning the Amanda Todd story. That was true bullying in many forms. You might not understand the difference, but don't be so quick to judge others who actually do.

+1.

Amanda Todd was the real case of cyber bullying. Somebody calling you ugly is not.

If so, don't ever call anybody 'stupid' or 'insane' or whatever because you are then a hypocrite (oh, and don't call them a hypocrite either.






YR

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Not to derail this discussion, but there are tons of threads on this forum that mock Jerry for many things. Garrett is also constantly mocked for being a ginger.

Don't even get me started on all the Romo hate.

These fans said non-PG stuff about the cheerleader, but as a public figure, she has the option to ignore it, just like Jerry Jones has the option of not registering for CZ and reading all the posts urging him to kick the bucket already.

Now, if Jerry goes out of his way to join this forum, and then gets sad because people on here hate him, should he just make a little video like this to get everyone here to stop doing it?

This girl has the option of ignoring that fan page. She's not even a Bears fan. It's not like she needs to read that page for any reason.

[View Full Quote]True victims of cyber bullying don't quite have it easy like that unfortunately. They're attacked personally and viciously. Amanda Todd was attacked for being Amanda Todd. Not for being a Packers cheerleader. BIG difference.

It's a bit more complicated than eagerly wanting to read about yourself and then getting all sadface when everyone doesn't like you (moreso bc of the organization that you associate with over who you are personally).

No, it's not more complicated then that. FB and other sites have rules. Those rules clearly define what is allowed. If I understand the problem, those posts violated the rules of the sites. Therefore, the sites should have done something to correct the problem. Can you be everywhere all the time? No, but if you have a thread going viral on a board, you know what the content of the thread is and it should not be difficult to correct the situation.

Jerry Jones and opinions about how he runs the team are open for discussion. Talking about indecent behaviors with Jerry Jones is not. There is a big difference there.

This Cheerleader did what to provoke any of this? She cheered poorly? She wore the wrong uniform? She didn't show up to Cheer at all? Exactly what, other then looking like she does, did she do to deserve any of this?

Your argument falls short there IMO. The examples you use, with Jerry, are based upon actions he has done over the years. Those discussions are different.

Is it legal to give an opinion on this Cheerleader, no matter how negative or juvenile it might be? Yes, probably and I don't know that this is really the question or issue. The question is, is it morally OK? I suspect that you would agree it is not. I also suspect that you would agree that any other answer is indefensible.

Of course, those are just my opinions.