QB ranking by tier including Romo

[DavidAK]

Originally Posted by Clove

If I'm being honest, and I have to control myself when talking about the 3 untouchables, based on the new rules.

But, Jerry has not made a real attempt to draft a qualified QB in over 23 years. Of course you're not going to find a QB if you don't try. Picking up trash off the street, drafting 4th rounders in the 2nd round, trying to find baseball players to play football is just bad business.

And as far as your "real QB" comment, in my opinion, we've not had a real QB since Aikman. To me, a real QB is someone who can lead their team, excuses and all, to the playoffs, win, and put themselves in position to win Super Bowls.

[View Full Quote]And, I KNOW Romo is here to stay, and I know everyone wants us to be in a jolly mood, and I'm sure I may have to find another place to vent soon because it's hard to contain my opinions about things I think have held this team back. But until I finally put a nail in my own clove coffin, I will believe that this franchise has wasted 7 years, and will ultimately waste a decade on a fraud QB.

Nothing anyone on this board, stats, opinions, or a gun to my head, can convince me that Romo is the QB to lead this team to a Super Bowl. And having said all of that, maybe I just won't respond to anymore Romo threads, I will try my best not to, but in case I can't help my self, it's been fun.

Subconsciously people want to believe their favorite team has a Quarterback that can lead their team to the Sb. The mentality of-" Aw well another 8-8 season, No big deal at least we still have a franchise QB. If we get this and that, and fix this and that, and do this and that, we'll be a ok." It's denial and a lack of accountability.

I truely believe with every fiber in my body that Tony Romo cannot lead this team to a Sb. He can put up good stretches of games and might get us to the play-offs. But in order for this team to win anything in the post-season Romo needs a team that is stacked around him. A team that can bail him out if he gets in a funk.

My buddy said it best about Romo- He expects Romo to choke, while I hope he doesn't.

I don't care either if this offends anyone, it's how I feel and I won't go walking on egg shells so people don't get their feelings hurt. As of respect to the new rules however this will be the last time I mention anything about Romo until we start getting into the off-season.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Reverend Conehead

There's in between bus driver and great quarterback.. The Redskins have gone to and won all their Super Bowls with good quarterbacks who were not great. Billy Kilmer (gone to, but did not win), Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, Mark Rypen. Those guys all have one thing in common: They were good, but not great. But they weren't bus drivers either. The point is, you can win the Super Bowl with a good quarterback who isn't great. It requires a top-notch team. If you want to win it with a bus driver QB, on the other hand, you need a superb defense and a running game.

It's been 22 years since Washington won a SB and one big reason they haven't been in contention the past couple of decades is not having a solid QB. Since Rypien they've gone through at least 6 staring QB's the past 18 years. They went from a 5 win team in 2011 to a contender in 2012 with the addition of RG3. The game has changed since Washington won SB's under Theismann, Williams and Rypien. The NFL has become a pass happy league and a lot more is put on the plate of a QB. They have be able to carry their team on their shoulders because you can no longer win championships with a running game and a great defense. You have to have a QB who can produce in big games and not make mistakes.

During the 70's and 80's most SB's weren't very competitive a lot of them ended in blowouts because teams could dominate by running the ball and playing great defense. Some QB's who won SB's decades ago didn't produce much like Theismann who only put up 143 yards with 2 TD's and 2 ints vs Miami in the 82 SB. He was aided by Riggins 166 yards and a defense that only gave up 176 yards and 9 first downs.

The 85 Bears and 2001 Ravens won SB's with QB's who couldn't start in todays game because those games were won with defense. It's when the NFL started becoming a QB driven passing league that SB's started going down to the wire. It's hard to keep a team down with the rules the way they are and the prolific passers we see in todays game. We saw SF come back from a big deficit in the NFC title game and the SB to have a chance to win in the final minutes. You can't cover up for an inadequate QB with a running game and a strong defense in todays game. At some point an average QB will be exposed when it's down to them having to make plays for their team to win. Every season SB's are coming down to QB's having to make plays to win in the closing minutes.

QB's have been named the SB MVP the last 4 years. The QB's that are winning championships in todays game are throwing TD's and not turning the ball over in elimination games. Go back and compare Eli's numbers during the postseason and SB in 07 with his numbers during the postseason and SB in 2011. He had to produce a lot more 5 years later to win another championship. More and more is being asked of a QB because games are being put on their shoulders.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Chuck 54

Only guy ahead of Romo that I question is Matty Ice...he IS younger, but he seems very much like Romo in big games.

It's due to the fact that Atlanta has been making the playoffs and the Cowboys haven't. Ryan did get Atlanta to an NFC title game this past season and played very well more than good enough to win that game. It's easy to see why he's ranked ahead of Romo.

[Vabeachboy]

Why is Matt Ryan rated so much higher than Romo?...Does anyone realize they both have the same playoff record?? Thats right 1-3...so why doesnt anybody call Ryan a choker?? Oh thats right..he doesnt play in Dallas...I guess we should have had our starting qb go to prison. Then people might appreciate Romo the way they do "Matty Ice"...which fits because he freezes up in the playoffs

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by Vabeachboy

Why is Matt Ryan rated so much higher than Romo?...Does anyone realize they both have the same playoff record?? Thats right 1-3...so why doesnt anybody call Ryan a choker?? Oh thats right..he doesnt play in Dallas...I guess we should have had our starting qb go to prison. Then people might appreciate Romo the way they do "Matty Ice"...which fits because he freezes up in the playoffs

For me it's about their age and potential. Romo has pretty much peaked in my opinion and in 2012 he showed signs of regressing. Ryan just had his best season...

[Vabeachboy]

True that...i see the logic..

[Vabeachboy]

But i have to disagree about Romo regressing...anybody would regress behind that line...some say Romo had one of his best seasons given the circumstances. And he still has the best QB rating in NFL history. Bad qbs do NOT have the highest qb rating ever with no line no running game and a soft defense. Put Romo in Houston or San Fran...even Minnesota...That would be bad for the rest of the NFL. 49ers wouldve won the Super Bowl if Romo was QB. That being said I think Harbaugh should have put Alex Smith in the game after halftime and they may have won.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Vabeachboy

But i have to disagree about Romo regressing...anybody would regress behind that line...some say Romo had one of his best seasons given the circumstances. And he still has the best QB rating in NFL history. Bad qbs do NOT have the highest qb rating ever with no line no running game and a soft defense. Put Romo in Houston or San Fran...even Minnesota...That would be bad for the rest of the NFL. 49ers wouldve won the Super Bowl if Romo was QB. That being said I think Harbaugh should have put Alex Smith in the game after halftime and they may have won.

Romo's ranks 5th in career passer rating. Show me a post in this thread or anywhere on this board where someone called Romo a "bad" QB? This theme that Romo could win a SB on any team other than the Cowboys is ridiculous. A thread was started several weeks ago with fans wanting to trade Romo to KC for the #1 overall pick like KC would do that. Several thought he would have more success in KC than in Dallas. One FAN who was in favor of the trade went so far as to claim Romo could lead the Chiefs who just went 2-14 to a championship. I asked him if he honestly believed that then why the heck would he want to trade him??? He never responded. By the way how do you figure SF would have won the SB had Harbaugh put Alex Smith in the game at halftime are you Bill Cowher?

The score was 21-6 Baltimore at halftime and Kaepernick led SF to 17 unanswered points in the 3rd quarter which got them back in the game. How could Alex Smith have made up that halftime deficit and won that game? Smith is a bus driver who only had one 300 yard game in 9 starts this past season. He's not near the playmaker Kaepernick is that's why he was riding the pine. It would have gone from bad to worse for SF with Smith in there. In his last 3 starts Smith never passed for more than 232 yards and had as many turnovers as TD's.


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[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by KJJ

.... By the way how do you figure SF would have won the SB had Harbaugh put Alex Smith in the game at halftime are you Bill Cowher?

The score was 21-6 Baltimore at halftime and Kaepernick led SF to 17 unanswered points in the 3rd quarter which got them back in the game. How could Alex Smith have made up that halftime deficit and won that game?

Which begs the question; has Alex Smith EVER led a team that has to play from behnd to 17 points period in one quarter or even one half?
I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt it.

[Redball Express]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

This is just my personal opinion on where these QB's stand today.


Tier 1
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Bottom Tier 1
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Flacco


Tier 2
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Andrew Luck
Russel Wilson
Colin Kaepernick
RG3
Bottom Tier 2
Cam Newton
Tony Romo
Andy Dalton
Phillip Rivers


Tier 3
Jay Cutler
Sam Bradford
Mark Sanchez
Carson Palmer
Matt Schaub


Tier 4
Who cares?

..right now over Romo.

At least he's gotten his team to the playoffs, won their division more than once and has a better arm than Romo who can't throw past 30 yards.

RedBaLL ExPreSS

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Which begs the question; has Alex Smith EVER led a team that has to play from behnd to 17 points period in one quarter or even one half?
I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt it.

Don't recall him ever doing that and if he was capable of it he would have never lost his job.

[Redball Express]

Originally Posted by KJJ

Don't recall him ever doing that and if he was capable of it he would have never lost his job.

..maybe Alex Smith plays better in the 1st half of games and builds leads his team doesn't have to surrender.

Unlike a certain someone we know that never plays well anymore in the 1st half of games.

RedBaLL EXPreSS

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Redball Express

..maybe Alex Smith plays better in the 1st half of games and builds leads his team doesn't have to surrender.

Unlike a certain someone we know that never plays well anymore in the 1st half of games.

RedBaLL EXPreSS

Alex Smith is a game manager he plays well when he has a lead not when he's 15 points down and has to wing it. In 2011 Smith didn't have a 300 yard passing game all season including the playoffs. That's pretty shocking in todays game where 300 yard passing games are routine. He had under 3200 yards passing and only 17 TD's those numbers would have been lackluster 30 years ago. Games weren't being put on Smith's shoulders. He wasn't being asked to win games he was being asked not to lose any. In the NFC title game in 2011 he only completed 12 passes and misfired on a lot of throws completing only 46%.

Even after going 13-3 Harbaugh knew he needed more of a playmaker at the position to take the next step. It's a passing league and you have to have a QB who can carry a team when the chips are down. In Smith's 9 starts this past season he only attempted 30 or more passes in 4 of his starts. In his last 2 starts he never attempted more than 23 passes. Romo completed more passes than Smith attempted most weeks while he was starting.

You can't put the slow starts all on Romo Garrett has to take a lot of the blame for his conservative approach. He leans towards conservative and it's cost the Cowboys some games. Romo didn't agree with some of his calls which was evident by a few of their interactions where Romo was clearly trying to sway Garrett's play calling. It's obvious Garrett doesn't trust Romo or his offense. Most of the blame falls on Garrett which is why he won't be calling plays next season.

[lqmac1]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

This is just my personal opinion on where these QB's stand today.


Tier 1
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Bottom Tier 1
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Flacco


Tier 2
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Andrew Luck
Russel Wilson
Colin Kaepernick
RG3
Bottom Tier 2
Cam Newton
Tony Romo
Andy Dalton
Phillip Rivers


Tier 3
Jay Cutler
Sam Bradford
Mark Sanchez
Carson Palmer
Matt Schaub


Tier 4
Who cares?