Why didn't Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder fight the cap penalty harder?

[burmafrd]

IT was collusion but if Jerruh and Snyder took it to court there was a decent chance the whole thing could unravel; I mean the CBA, the League, everything.

So in the end they decided not to

[Verdict]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Because they deserved them.

How do you figure that the Cowboys and Redskins broke a rule that wasn't actually in effect and why should the be penalized for it?

[Proximo]

Originally Posted by Verdict

How do you figure that the Cowboys and Redskins broke a rule that wasn't actually in effect and why should the be penalized for it?

Exactly. The penalties that were imposed on both teams are complete BS. In fact, the 'Skins and Cowboys were the only teams that didn't engage in the shady collusion that the rest of the owners engaged in. Snyder and Jones are absolutely in the right on this, however fighting it wouldn't be worth the crapstorm that it would cause in the long run.

[Blue Eyed Devil]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

The Sherman Anti trust act was clearly violated as the rest of the owners colluded by instituting a "cap" in a year with no cap

Now Mike Shanahan at his end of season press conference did indicate something is still going on behind the scenes

http://redskins.espn980.com/bloggers/chris-russell/item/822-do-the-redskins-have-any-$hot

Well, then you have your answer. The only legal recourse Jerry had was to sue the league as a monopoly and kill the golden goose that makes him a very very wealthy man. Jerry's choice was not pay people $5 million or destroy the very thing that makes him the owner of a $1.85 billion asset. It would be silly to ruin your fortune over a little swipe to the ego.

We may not like it, but that's how society is sometimes. Sometimes a majority gangs up on a minority in an unjust way and the minority just has to take it.

[Verdict]

I know this was a league wide imposed penalty, but does anyone else have a vastly superior amount of hate towards Mara over this situation?

[mmillman]

Don't forget the NFL essentially bribed the players union and owners by adding cap money to all the teams that voted for the penalty.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Verdict

How do you figure that the Cowboys and Redskins broke a rule that wasn't actually in effect and why should the be penalized for it?

Cause I'm not so disillusioned to think that a temporary time without "rules" would allow someone to simply disregard them when they have previously operated under those rules and will undoubtedly operate under those same rules again in the near future

Just as with Casillas and the DMSO thread. Some people were asking why it's bad if it isn't banned and completely missing the real issue at hand was the intent to gain an advantage. If you are willing to make exceptions based on the banned status itself, you've essentially granted amnesty to any PED user who is ahead of the curve and is using substances that have yet to be banned because they were cooked up in someone's lab somewhere and nobody has heard of them yet.

In this case, the team wrote contracts that they wouldn't have written a year prior or a year after. Contracts they could not have written for that matter because they wouldn't have had the space. And they did it with the full intention of reaping the benefits in years that they absolutely knew the rules would be in place. On top of that, for at least Austin's contract, it raised the Franchise Tag amount for WRs the next year something like 1M, IIRC, and that is a league-wide effect.

The whole thing is kind of funny in another aspect in that Stephen's response was that it was basically nothing. Wouldn't prevent Dallas from doing anything and the cap space can always be made. Why would they write the contract like that in the first place if the cap is basically a non-issue? Why not just write the contract as they did for nearly all other plays they've signed in the last few years? The answer is because while making cap space is almost never an issue just as Stephen has said, simply having cap space without having to make it is another story.

It was a slimey deal and if all the other relevant parties involved think it was, you can't blame them for cleaning it up a bit. They knew what they were doing and just didn't care.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

It was a slimey deal and if all the other relevant parties involved think it was, you can't blame them for cleaning it up a bit. They knew what they were doing and just didn't care.

With all that said, why weren't teams like the Bucs and Jags punished for going well under the imaginary "salary floor" in 2010 and writing contracts they wouldn't have and being able to reap the benefits of extra cap space in out years.

Why were only the Redskins and Cowboys punished?

Who sat on the Management Council when these punishments were decided?

This wasn't a "temporary time without rules" it was a time without rules. That is how labor agreements work and we were in the middle of the 2006 CBA which called for an uncapped season in the final year.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

With all that said, why weren't teams like the Bucs and Jags punished for going well under the imaginary "salary floor" in 2010 and writing contracts they wouldn't have and being able to reap the benefits of extra cap space in out years.

Why were only the Redskins and Cowboys punished?

Who sat on the Management Council when these punishments were decided?

This wasn't a "temporary time without rules" it was a time without rules. That is how labor agreements work and we were in the middle of the 2006 CBA which called for an uncapped season in the final year.

Why weren't any of the rest of the teams who went above the ceiling punished?

I mean, if you're reducing the argument to that, you don't have much of a leg to stand on.

Clearly these two teams went above and beyond.

Not to mention nobody would ever suggest that being LESS competitive (through spending less money) in one season would actually GIVE a team a competitive advantage for the next 4-5 years down the road.

[ajk23az]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Why weren't any of the rest of the teams who went above the ceiling punished?

I mean, if you're reducing the argument to that, you don't have much of a leg to stand on.

Clearly these two teams went above and beyond.

Not to mention nobody would ever suggest that being LESS competitive (through spending less money) in one season would actually GIVE a team a competitive advantage for the next 4-5 years down the road.

Above and beyond what? There were no rules in place so how could they go above and beyond a rule that never existed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently Hoof does not believe that honoring your contract, acting in good faith, being honest or obeying federal law is important.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Apparently Hoof does not believe that honoring your contract, acting in good faith, being honest or obeying federal law is important.

Is that what's apparent here?

[Cowboy Junkie]

I was and am very disappointed in Jerry Jones for not doing all he could to fight this. I was a huge Jerry jones supporter but he lost me a lot with not fighting this one.
Sometimes you just have to do whats right

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Because they deserved them.

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Cause I'm not so disillusioned to think that a temporary time without "rules" would allow someone to simply disregard them when they have previously operated under those rules and will undoubtedly operate under those same rules again in the near future.

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Is that what's apparent here?

mm-hmm . Yup.

The NFL did not agree to their contract agreement whereby they would have one year of completely unrestricted free agency as a result of opting out of the CBA.

And heaven forbid that a team try and get an advantage within the rules. Had the NFL not been deceptive and acting in bad faith any team could have been able to seek the same advantage.

Nevermind a division rival was calling the shots on this one.

[speedkilz88]

Adam has already pointed out that Green Bay actually did a contract very similar to the one Jerry did with Miles Austin yet they were not punished for it. There were a couple of teams that did not receive any of the money fined from Dallas and Washington because it was deemed that they also did the same practice but didn't do it as much as Dallas and Washington.

There were rules for that uncapped year that were bargained with the union. What the nfl did was colluded secretly which is illegal to do behind the union's back as deemed by the US and it's courts.