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Old 02-10-2013   #16
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I'm sorry not to sound like a homer but I take Dez over Cruz. Cruz has the luxuary of playing in the slot most of the time. As Roddy White said, "The big boys play on the outside."
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What absolutely makes me laugh is the rush to judgment that Cowlishaw was saying those guys were better.

Okay, now get over your Cowboy homerism and look at what he did say.

There are a LOT of good receivers in the NFC and because of that fact it will be more difficult for Dez.

Not that Dez won't hang up great numbers, but the cadre of receivers is diluted with so many that can be big players for a season.

It's just amazing how you guys start to cry over a point he was not making.
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Old 02-10-2013   #18
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I think I just saw someone mention Crabtree ahead of Bryant?
I don't think he was putting him ahead Dez. I think he's just saying that, with that much talent, it's hard to say he'll be among the best 3-5 players every single season, especially if he misses any amount of time during a season.
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Has Dez Braynt finally turned the corner? Can we expect Pro Bowl seasons for the next 3-5 years?
Too many good WRs in the NFC -- Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Victor Cruz, Larry Fitzgerald, Crabtree, Roddy White and Julio Jones -- to make that kind of pronouncement. Turned the corner? Yes, he did that in 2012. He's clearly their best offensive weapon. Perennial Pro Bowl pick? That's too hard.

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The good thing is this. Whether he makes it or not, IF this message board is arguint that he got robbed then that means he did his job for the cowboys. Whether he makes it or not doesnt really matter.
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The good thing is this. Whether he makes it or not, IF this message board is arguint that he got robbed then that means he did his job for the cowboys. Whether he makes it or not doesnt really matter.
Rein in them horses. If the measuring stick is this message board's angst signaling he had a good year, that is more than a little thin.

Just read the replies by people from this board railing on the author because they misunderstood the point he was making.
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Rein in them horses. If the measuring stick is this message board's angst signaling he had a good year, that is more than a little thin.

Just read the replies by people from this board railing on the author because they misunderstood the point he was making.
Was Irvin a perennial pro bowl player? His contemporaries were a lot better than those named.
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Was Irvin a perennial pro bowl player? His contemporaries were a lot better than those named.
That fell so short of your intent.

First, Irvin was second to Rice and there was no one else.

But the premise that Cowlishaw was putting down Dez saying the others were better is not substantiated by anything in his article.

He was talking numbers and that dilutes the voting.

A premise that has nothing to do with putting down Dez.
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Give me a break Cowlishaw. I would take Dez over ANY of those receivers except Johnson of course. Besides we all know that the Pro Bowl is a complete joke. So much anti-cowboys bias, it aint even funny


The homers just can't stand logic.

Pretty sure that Dallas had the most Pro Bowl selections in history (13) just a handful of years back.

Newflash, compadre: 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8 in 3 straight years means our team sucks.

That's why we don't have lots of pro bowlers anymore. There's not some conspiracy theory here.
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That fell so short of your intent.

First, Irvin was second to Rice and there was no one else.

But the premise that Cowlishaw was putting down Dez saying the others were better is not substantiated by anything in his article.

He was talking numbers and that dilutes the voting.

A premise that has nothing to do with putting down Dez.



As I just said, he was using logic and not biased passion. I like Cowlishaw because he's proof that there's at least one writer in DFW with a brain.
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I'm going to have to sadly join the homer crowd on this one. I think he has the opportunity to be better than 99% of all those dudes he listed. And yeah, I'm saying it because I'm biased, but I'm also saying it because he gets better every year.

But we'll see.

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Cowlishaw was not bashing Dez at all. He was stating simply...Lots of really good WRs in the NFC. More than the AFC IMO, by a wide margin.

Odds are against him...not because he is a Cowboys player. Perhaps he does not believe in another factor or two as well though.

Side note: making the ProBowl is not the end all, be all to being a great player. I have no idea why so many people put so much into that these days.

Did any of the "selected" NFC QBs even go to the Pro Bowl ? Nope.

Half the NFC roster that was selected (it seems like), played in the SB or were injured. Thus the need to eliminate the game and simply give the recognition as a Pro Bowl level player.

The only reason that players like Witten and Fletcher got in was because of injuries... That's not something to be bragging, or caring about.
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Cowlishaw was not bashing Dez at all. He was stating simply...Lots of really good WRs in the NFC. More than the AFC IMO, by a wide margin.

Odds are against him...not because he is a Cowboys player. Perhaps he does not believe in another factor or two as well though.

Side note: making the ProBowl is not the end all, be all to being a great player. I have no idea why so many people put so much into that these days.

Did any of the "selected" NFC QBs even go to the Pro Bowl ? Nope.

Half the NFC roster that was selected (it seems like), played in the SB or were injured. Thus the need to eliminate the game and simply give the recognition as a Pro Bowl level player.

The only reason that players like Witten and Fletcher got in was because of injuries... That's not something to be bragging, or caring about.
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Old 02-11-2013   #28
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Brandon Marshall and Calvin Johnson I see.....that's who we hope Dez can become. Those other guys.....no. They are either in Dez's league or simply worse. Michael Crabtree is nowhere near Dez's league.
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All these homers need to take a chill pill.

Who knows what goes on in a given year, least of all to mention what new players will arise.

All he said is he wouldn't guarantee 3-5 pro bowls. I don't know any players who could certainly say that.

The NFL is a flux business. There is injury, there are bad years, sometimes other people have record years e.t.c.

Don't get so hot and bothered over someone making a reasoned and logical assessment.
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All these homers need to take a chill pill.

Who knows what goes on in a given year, least of all to mention what new players will arise.

All he said is he wouldn't guarantee 3-5 pro bowls. I don't know any players who could certainly say that.

The NFL is a flux business. There is injury, there are bad years, sometimes other people have record years e.t.c.

Don't get so hot and bothered over someone making a reasoned and logical assessment.
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