Packers Cheerleader responds to cyber-bullying - Page 7 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 02-10-2013

To respond to an earlier question Kaitlyn Collins is not Amanda Todd, but neither deserved what they got online.

I think it would be appropriate to occasionally out some of the more over-the-top posters like the Reddit troll Michael Brutsch. Stripped of anonymity, most would probably wither once their identity was known and had to suffer the abuse they dished out....it's a real life version of Sylvester the Cat realizing that bulldog he was teasing is not chained.

For those preaching internet free speech, remember that is not absolute. Crying "Fire" in a theater, "Bomb" in an airport, slander are things people can still have to answer for.

Personally, I've known over my 13th years on forums people bullying members with disabilities, strangers from thousands of miles away flaming about people I personally know saying things utterly false, and serial trollers resorting to things such as threatening suicide....of course the moderators at those sites were not doing their jobs.

Rack Bauer · 02-10-2013

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...any empathy out of your experience.

Certainly not for others who are bullied.

I got over it. I overcame it.

That's what others should do too.

Quit crying about it and get on with your lives.

vta · 02-10-2013

There's an irony here that I can't over look, especially since Chicago is a part of the story. All the indignation over some one being 'bullied' and 'attacked', when in reality the girl in question is entirely fine and surely free of debilitating disease that the entire episode is almost like a joke. But I don't see the punch line.

Chicago is some sort of epicenter for crime, with over 40 people being murdered in January alone and the numbers growing and someone should get indignant over this? She's a victim? How will she or anyone who agrees that she is a victim cope when real tribulation comes into their lives if they think is something to be indignant over?

Hoofbite · 02-10-2013

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There's an irony here that I can't over look, especially since Chicago is a part of the story. All the indignation over some one being 'bullied' and 'attacked', when in reality the girl in question is entirely fine and surely free of debilitating disease that the entire episode is almost like a joke. But I don't see the punch line.

Chicago is some sort of epicenter for crime, with over 40 people being murdered in January alone and the numbers growing and someone should get indignant over this? She's a victim? How will she or anyone who agrees that she is a victim cope when real tribulation comes into their lives if they think is something to be indignant over?

People look for anything to champion, no matter how small the victory. They know they can't stop the crime so might as well shift their sights to a more manageable task.

You remember the saying, "If at first you don't succeed; try, try again"?

Doesn't apply here.

More fitting would be, "If at first you don't succeed, try something easier."

I really don't care if she felt it necessary to make the video. She's free to do that if she wants but as I have said, I think it's a bit over the top.

For me the issue is really more about the fact that she's being showered in praise for standing up against a fallacious attack. If she were truly ugly, nobody would have noticed. Then again, that gets to another point that if she were truly ugly nobody could have noticed because she wouldn't have been allowed to cheerlead in the first place. All well and good to have your looks work for you and give you opportunities you otherwise wouldn't have had but nobody had better ever compare you to people who are prettier, regardless of where you stand amongst the general population.

Change the background to a Walmart isle and throw on some dirty, grimy clothes with a few blotches on her skin and some sun-baked aging wrinkles and it's just another picture the goes up on PeopleOfWalmart for everyone to laugh at.

vta · 02-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

People look for anything to champion, no matter how small the victory. They know they can't stop the crime so might as well shift their sights to a more manageable task.

You remember the saying, "If at first you don't succeed; try, try again"?

Doesn't apply here.

More fitting would be, "If at first you don't succeed, try something easier."

I really don't care if she felt it necessary to make the video. She's free to do that if she wants but as I have said, I think it's a bit over the top.

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All very true.

CanadianCowboysFan · 02-10-2013

[quote=BringBackThatOleTimeBoys;4997393]"Facebook Fired" has already happened.

2009 in England, a young woman ranted about her boss on Facebook. A few hours later he reminded her she friended him and she was flunking her probationary period, then told her to take her stuff and final paycheck as he was processing her walking papers.

Youtube has had 10 million hits of this redneck dad that shot up his daughter's notebook after she flamed him on Facebook a 2nd time....maybe by the time he's between jobs he is going to regret behaving like his child.[/QUOTE]

IIRC, he was lauded on this site for standing up to his child and showing her he was boss.

CanadianCowboysFan · 02-10-2013

Lord knows, if a few bad comments online constitute bullying, I have been subjected a ton of it on this site from many of you.

As nothing written on this site means anything, I never reported any of you to the cheeses here.

I also won't be doing a youtube video holding up signs calling Bumfrd a bully, Dallas a bully etc

**Reality** · 02-10-2013

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I also won't be doing a youtube video holding up signs calling Bumfrd a bully, Dallas a bully etc

I noticed you didn't rule out a youtube parody song or purchasing a billboard

/reality

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 02-10-2013

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Youtube has had 10 million hits of this redneck dad that shot up his daughter's notebook after she flamed him on Facebook a 2nd time....maybe by the time he's between jobs he is going to regret behaving like his child.[/QUOTE]

IIRC, he was lauded on this site for standing up to his child and showing her he was boss.

Putting his foot down was the part he got right.

He should have done it offline and demonstrated considerably more emotional maturity than his daughter...failed on that part.

davidyee · 02-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

I got over it. I overcame it.

That's what others should do too.

Quit crying about it and get on with your lives.

...you clearly haven't gained any empathy.

What it tells me is you would have the propensity to ignore a bullying situation if it happened in front of your eyes and as the child or person was crying in a corner your comments would suggest you would stand over them and tell them to "Quit crying about it and get on with your lives."

The person after clearly being bullied by another person would be doubly victimized again by you and your attitude.

At least from all of your comments that is what it would suggest would be your behavior.

Do you have any contact with young children? Are you a parent? I find what you are saying to be very difficult to comprehend and somewhat frightening.

Rack Bauer · 02-10-2013

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Originally Posted by davidyee

...you clearly haven't gained any empathy.

What it tells me is you would have the propensity to ignore a bullying situation if it happened in front of your eyes and as the child or person was crying in a corner your comments would suggest you would stand over them and tell them to "Quit crying about it and get on with your lives."

The person after clearly being bullied by another person would be doubly victimized again by you and your attitude.

At least from all of your comments that is what it would suggest would be your behavior.

Do you have any contact with young children? Are you a parent? I find what you are saying to be very difficult to comprehend and somewhat frightening.

Don't know who bullied you when you were a kid, but you REALLY REALLY need to get over it.

davidyee · 02-10-2013

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Don't know who bullied you when you were a kid, but you REALLY REALLY need to get over it.

...I never was.

But I do work alot with youth in sports teams and often in their personal lives as their personal problems cross over into the clubhouse and locker room.

Also my wife works in the education system primarly in Grades 6-8 where children are very vunerable as they are entering into their teen years.

There's nothing for me to get over, but every reason in my personal life to ensure that attitudes and comments such as what you have posted are countered and not accepted as the only truth to this societal problem.

Nothing to get over, but every reason to counter and stop it.

It's my perogative, but I believe my perogative is in the best interest of society and young people who are caught in bad situations.

Funny thing I have noticed as I have attended anti bullying lectures and training sessions and wwatched kids on the football and soccer teams I have coached.

People/kids who are bullied tend to condone bullying and are some of the biggest and nastiest bullies in life. A bad situation at home with a parent or a sibling leads to incredibly bad behavior and attitudes with their own peer group and the public.

That's what makes this issue so insipid and pervasive. The bullying in public oftens reveals a hidden bully in the background.

They learn to accept bad behavior and poor attitude as a way to regain control in their personal lives that they lose when they are exposed to their own bully.

Blitzen32 · 02-11-2013

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...I never was.

But I do work alot with youth in sports teams and often in their personal lives as their personal problems cross over into the clubhouse and locker room.

Also my wife works in the education system primarly in Grades 6-8 where children are very vunerable as they are entering into their teen years.

There's nothing for me to get over, but every reason in my personal life to ensure that attitudes and comments such as what you have posted are countered and not accepted as the only truth to this societal problem.

Nothing to get over, but every reason to counter and stop it.

It's my perogative, but I believe my perogative is in the best interest of society and young people who are caught in bad situations.

Funny thing I have noticed as I have attended anti bullying lectures and training sessions and wwatched kids on the football and soccer teams I have coached.

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This is all good and fine, save for the fact that you've yet to discern what "bullying" actually is if you're comparing the two situations.

It's not as simple as choosing not to log into a facebook fan page when it's actually happening in real life or even via the web.

Again people, Bears fans were mocking her because she represented the Packers as a cheerleader. Had she been wearing ANYTHING else, then she would not have been part of this story.

That's not the case with REAL ACTUAL bullying victims. It's scary that some of you work with troubled youth if you can't even comprehend the situation here.

Blitzen32 · 02-11-2013

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Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

Lord knows, if a few bad comments online constitute bullying, I have been subjected a ton of it on this site from many of you.

As nothing written on this site means anything, I never reported any of you to the cheeses here.

I also won't be doing a youtube video holding up signs calling Bumfrd a bully, Dallas a bully etc

I know this is in mostly in jest, but it's actually spot on.

WV Cowboy · 02-11-2013

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Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

Lord knows, if a few bad comments online constitute bullying, I have been subjected a ton of it on this site from many of you.

"Bullying" is normally done to the innocent, to those that do not provoke it, to those that are singled out and picked on, ... not to those that continually bring it on themselves.

I believe there is a difference there.

I also believe there are many different levels of bullying, and each victim could react differently to each level.

For example, if we scaled bullying from 1-10, .. someone could get bullied at a level 8, but not be affected as much as someone else who is more upset about getting bullied at a level 5.

Each person could/would be impacted differently.

Therefore, bullying, at any level, should not be seen as "ok", and should never be tolerated.