Moneyball - Dallas Cowboys Forum

muck4doo · 02-12-2013

Just saw that movie for the first time last night, and loved it. I'm already a big time A's fan, so I might be(okay, I'm really biased i admit it. I love my A's) biased, but did anyone else love this movie, and what do you think of so many baseball teams going to that model? Do you see the NFL going to that kind of model? The NFL and MLB are so different. The NFL strives for parity, MLB has their rich and poor teams, and that's the way it is going to stay.

RS12 · 02-12-2013

I am big believer in having a good scouting department in any sport. Stats have their uses though. I think my favorite part of the movie is where he catches Giambi having a good time in the club house after a loss and immediately ships him put of town, and they start playing better. My favorite line is "I hate losing more than I like winning".

godofwar · 02-12-2013

Loved that movie. I know it's a little fictionalized , but the story is great. Loved Brad Pitt's performance. I admire the quality it takes to stick with your idea even in the face of failure. I'm a Rangers' fan, and love this movie.

My favorite scene is when Beane, Brand, and the scouts have their final meeting to assemble their FA target board. Beane lays out the plan, and none of the guys gets it. Classic.

FloridaRob · 02-12-2013

I liked the movie. I thought Pitt was great as Billy Beane. I am a big Met fan and could see how the A's played the Mets into thinking Art Howe was this great manager. What a disaster that was. I wonder what Art thinks about the movie.

Muhast · 02-12-2013

I remember when A-Rod signed his first mega deal they were talking about how his contract was worth more money that the entire payroll of 3-4 smaller market MLB teams put together.

**Reality** · 02-13-2013

The concept of "moneyball" would be more compelling if it actually produced real tangible results such as World Series wins. It seems like every year a small market teams does well most of the season only to fade when it matters. I guess if you're a small market team and looking for a way to at least keep fans coming to the games, moneyball is a good system to follow.

/reality

SkinsandTerps · 02-13-2013

You guys should read the book. It's pretty good. My buddy (who is a Red Sox fan) told me about it years ago.

This is how the Red Sox won their first WS in 80+ years.

**Reality** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

You guys should read the book. It's pretty good. My buddy (who is a Red Sox fan) told me about it years ago.

This is how the Red Sox won their first WS in 80+ years.

The concept of "moneyball" is based on a strategy implemented by a low payroll team to compete against bigger payroll teams. The Red Sox are not even close to being a low payroll team. The Red Sox are usually second in spending to the New York Yankees, though the Dodgers may have passed them this season.

/reality

muck4doo · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Reality

The concept of "moneyball" is based on a strategy implemented by a low payroll team to compete against bigger payroll teams. The Red Sox are not even close to being a low payroll team. The Red Sox are usually second in spending to the New York Yankees, though the Dodgers may have passed them this season.

/reality

They're not a low payroll team, but they did use the same ideas that season they won it all. The Pats also seem to operate the same way. Other than Brady and Welker(he's not even that high), who else makes a ton of money on that team?

SkinsandTerps · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Reality

The concept of "moneyball" is based on a strategy implemented by a low payroll team to compete against bigger payroll teams. The Red Sox are not even close to being a low payroll team. The Red Sox are usually second in spending to the New York Yankees, though the Dodgers may have passed them this season.

/reality

This is how the Red Sox built that team won in 2004. The system used can be applied for any team. The basis was numeric percentages and low payroll to get the best bang for your buck. However if you have an open wallet and can afford to get this player or that player on top of your depth...watch out.

The Orioles went 10-9 against the Sox that season. This was the season they went 0-3 in the ALCS and did the reverse sweep against the Yankees.

funkytown · 02-13-2013

Great book, good movie.

Hate how DePodesta didnt want his name used, but Jonah Hill played a good role in the movie. Brad Pitt was good too.

**Reality** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

This is how the Red Sox built that team won in 2004. The system used can be applied for any team. The basis was numeric percentages and low payroll to get the best bang for your buck. However if you have an open wallet and can afford to get this player or that player on top of your depth...watch out.

You can make the argument that every high payroll team uses Moneyball. As I said, the term "moneyball" was coined to get big payroll return out of low payroll teams. The Red Sox do not qualify for that and neither do the Yankees or Dodgers. There are small market teams like the Marlins, Pirates, etc. that could benefit from the moneyball philosophy.

Spending $150+ million in salary is not moneyball .. it's simply buying the best. The Red Sox won the World Series because they opened their wallet and paid for it. Maybe they signed only high stat players, but they still paid for players that small market teams like the Pirates could never afford.

/reality

muck4doo · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Reality

You can make the argument that every high payroll team uses Moneyball. As I said, the term "moneyball" was coined to get big payroll return out of low payroll teams. The Red Sox do not qualify for that and neither do the Yankees or Dodgers. There are small market teams like the Marlins, Pirates, etc. that could benefit from the moneyball philosophy.

Spending $150+ million in salary is not moneyball .. it's simply buying the best. The Red Sox won the World Series because they opened their wallet and paid for it. Maybe they signed only high stat players, but they still paid for players that small market teams like the Pirates could never afford.

/reality

Good point

**BrAinPaiNt** · 02-13-2013

It was an OK movie but after I watched it I never got why people thought it was so great or why anyone thought any of the actors did such a great job...I think Jonah was even nominated for an oscar for that movie and after watching it I wondered why.

muck4doo · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

It was an OK movie but after I watched it I never got why people thought it was so great or why anyone thought any of the actors did such a great job...I think Jonah was even nominated for an oscar for that movie and after watching it I wondered why.

Take your mind off the point of the movie and look at the acting job they all did. They were wonderful.