Pa. governor sues NCAA over Penn State sanctions

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

Not really surprised that no one is talking about the Paterno family report.

Former US AG and PA Governor Dick Thornburgh basically shredded the Freeh report's falsehoods. Freeh responded, was caught in a lie and has tucked his tail.

Of course not. It doesn't serve their hatred for Paterno or Penn State.

[burmafrd]

the willingness to accept anything except reality reminds me of what Lenin said about useful fools.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

the willingness to accept anything except reality reminds me of what Lenin said about useful fools.

That is so true.

People accepted the Freeh report despite so many holes it wasn't funny due to them wanting it to be true. People didn't even bother to look at Freeh's financial connections to Penn State, his mentor being on the Second Mile's board or his proven history of embellishing concepts to fit his narrative.


Now a report comes out by three of the most distinguished scholars in their respective fields and there are crickets because it doesn't fit the agenda. Even people who want to dig up Paterno just to spit on him should read Clemente's portion of the report. It may save a child some day.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

the willingness to accept anything except reality reminds me of what Lenin said about useful fools.

Kinda like some in this thread who don't want to look at reality and view ALL the information.

[burmafrd]

Love how the lemmings like canjon and spad just keep on swallowing the mystique of saint joe.

Only true fanatics refuse to accept the reality that their saint allowed continuall molestation of young boys.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

Not really surprised that no one is talking about the Paterno family report.

Nothing to say, .. this history has already been written.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Love how the lemmings like canjon and spad just keep on swallowing the mystique of saint joe.

Only true fanatics refuse to accept the reality that their saint allowed continuall molestation of young boys.

Have you read the Freeh report?

Have you read the Paterno report?



A lemming would follow what someone else told them to think. An intelligent person reads a report, not just the conclusion and not just someone else's recap of a conclusion and forms their own opinion.

I'm not a Penn State grad, not a Penn State fan and didn't really know Paterno in anything more than a friend of a friend of a friend way. I only care about the truth and not the spoon fed drivel that some of you want to swallow.

People who need instant gratification and let others think for them are what's wrong with this world. The truth takes time.

[joseephuss]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...llege-football

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...-scandal-freeh

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...rs-feel-better

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...llege-football

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...-scandal-freeh

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...rs-feel-better

Again, please read the reports yourself, not what others who have only read conclusions tell you to think about them.

Freeh's comments the day the Paterno report was released about Paterno having time to talk to his biographer but refusing to talk to his investigators is directly contradicted in the Freeh report itself, so maybe he didn't actually read it either.

One of those pieces says Dick Thornburgh is biased because he shared a stage with Paterno at bowl game sendoffs. Seriously? Every Governor, of both parties, in Pennsylvania has done that since at least the early 70s. There's a camera so of course they'll be a politician chasing it.

Another admitted that he hadn't read the entire report because it's worse than a joke.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have not read either report in their respective entireties. I have heard Joe Paterno's Son, Jay I think it was, speak on the matter. In listening to him, it seemed to me that he felt as if his Dad did not fully understand what was going on around him. Maybe was not fully cognizant of it all maybe?

I don't know, I just have a hard time believing that Joe could not have understood or known and if he did, then he had to do more to end the entire situation I think. I don't have any bad feelings for Paterno but I do think that this is the crux of why people will not give him the benefit of the doubt.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I have not read either report in their respective entireties. I have heard Joe Paterno's Son, Jay I think it was, speak on the matter. In listening to him, it seemed to me that he felt as if his Dad did not fully understand what was going on around him. Maybe was not fully cognizant of it all maybe?

I don't know, I just have a hard time believing that Joe could not have understood or known and if he did, then he had to do more to end the entire situation I think. I don't have any bad feelings for Paterno but I do think that this is the crux of why people will not give him the benefit of the doubt.

By Joes own words he knew the shower incident was of a sexual nature and he also admitted that he should have done more.

That by itself, by his own words...trump either report in my mind.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Love how the lemmings like canjon and spad just keep on swallowing the mystique of saint joe.

Only true fanatics refuse to accept the reality that their saint allowed continuall molestation of young boys.

Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word lemming since you yourself have the ring in your nose.
So tell me. Have you read the Paterno report or are spouting off again with no knowledge?

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

By Joes own words he knew the shower incident was of a sexual nature and he also admitted that he should have done more.

That by itself, by his own words...trump either report in my mind.

Got a link to his own words saying he knew it was sexual and had the same details McQueary gave others?

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

By Joes own words he knew the shower incident was of a sexual nature and he also admitted that he should have done more.

That by itself, by his own words...trump either report in my mind.

His exact quote was "In hindsight, I should have done more".

In hindsight, anyone who had ever met Sandusky, helped at the Second Mile..... Hell, I should have done more.

I know it's an uncomfortable subject but read Clemente's portion of the Paterno report. It's really eye-opening, not about Penn State, but about abuse in general and the warning signs of predators.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Got a link to his own words saying he knew it was sexual and had the same details McQueary gave others?

It's in the Grand Jury presentation report. Paterno did state that he believed what McQueary described was of a sexual nature.