Pa. governor sues NCAA over Penn State sanctions

[WV Cowboy]

Obviously I was not there, and I don't know of anyone that was.

But from what I can gather, I don't think it should have stopped with Paterno.

I feel sure other coaches over the years turned their heads. If nothing else, probably common sense told them that something was wrong with Sandusky.

I bet a lot of them were squirming when this all came out.

[Yakuza Rich]

I've read both reports and the grand jury investigation.

Paterno knew and did nothing about it.

It's typical straw grasping by the Paterno apologists. Instead of actually proving his innocence, they are going after Freeh Report. Make that look infallible and to them, it makes Paterno look innocent. But, any investigative report is going to have its flaws, possible things overlooked, people not questioned, etc. That doesn't mean it actually proves innocence.

And Paterno had a pattern of behavior. With all of the arrests that happened to PSU players and when finally questioned about it, Paterno called it a 'witch hunt' and left in a huff. Or the e-mails that former school Chief Disciplinarian, Dr. Vicky Triponey, has of her being told that Paterno wanted her dismissed because she felt that the school should punish players for arrests instead of Paterno. And Paterno reportedly threatened to stop all donations and school funding that he did until she was gone (which eventually happened).

That's all the Paterno family report did...poke some holes in the Freeh Report without actually showing evidence of Paterno's innocence. And we know why....Paterno knew and did nothing about it.






YR

[koolaid]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

You obviously are another person who hasn't educated themselves on the difference between NCAA violations and criminal misconduct. Take some time to do that. Also, It wasn't the program that was corrupt. You really have a difficult time separating a few people's actions from thousands of innocent. But keep the hate coming and the ignorance flowing.

Oh I get the difference. I think Penn benefited in terms of recruiting/sales/ratings from the coverup by the administrators. Because of that I don't have a problem with what the NCAA did. I know I was considering applying to Penn State before the events played out. I used to be a Penn/Paterno fan before the lid got blown off.

Looks like we will just have to agree to disagree

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

I've read both reports and the grand jury investigation.

Paterno knew and did nothing about it.

It's typical straw grasping by the Paterno apologists. Instead of actually proving his innocence, they are going after Freeh Report. Make that look infallible and to them, it makes Paterno look innocent. But, any investigative report is going to have its flaws, possible things overlooked, people not questioned, etc. That doesn't mean it actually proves innocence.

[View Full Quote]And Paterno had a pattern of behavior. With all of the arrests that happened to PSU players and when finally questioned about it, Paterno called it a 'witch hunt' and left in a huff. Or the e-mails that former school Chief Disciplinarian, Dr. Vicky Triponey, has of her being told that Paterno wanted her dismissed because she felt that the school should punish players for arrests instead of Paterno. And Paterno reportedly threatened to stop all donations and school funding that he did until she was gone (which eventually happened).

That's all the Paterno family report did...poke some holes in the Freeh Report without actually showing evidence of Paterno's innocence. And we know why....Paterno knew and did nothing about it.






YR

but the lemmings will never believe it.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

Again, please read the reports yourself, not what others who have only read conclusions tell you to think about them.

Stop assuming I haven't read the reports. I just found these guys summarized it better than I could.

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I have not read either report in their respective entireties. I have heard Joe Paterno's Son, Jay I think it was, speak on the matter. In listening to him, it seemed to me that he felt as if his Dad did not fully understand what was going on around him. Maybe was not fully cognizant of it all maybe?

I heard Jay say the same thing. Jay is wanting people to believe that JoePa was clueless. Every Paterno supporter talks about how JoePa was immensely involved in every aspect of a players life. If a players grades were faltering, JoePa knew about it and did something about it, but we are supposed to believe he didn't have a clue about his trusted defensive coordinator was accused of molestation in 1998 and that he was unaware that his "superiors" didn't do anything substantial about the 2001 incident.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

I've read both reports and the grand jury investigation.

Paterno knew and did nothing about it.

It's typical straw grasping by the Paterno apologists. Instead of actually proving his innocence, they are going after Freeh Report. Make that look infallible and to them, it makes Paterno look innocent. But, any investigative report is going to have its flaws, possible things overlooked, people not questioned, etc. That doesn't mean it actually proves innocence.

[View Full Quote]And Paterno had a pattern of behavior. With all of the arrests that happened to PSU players and when finally questioned about it, Paterno called it a 'witch hunt' and left in a huff. Or the e-mails that former school Chief Disciplinarian, Dr. Vicky Triponey, has of her being told that Paterno wanted her dismissed because she felt that the school should punish players for arrests instead of Paterno. And Paterno reportedly threatened to stop all donations and school funding that he did until she was gone (which eventually happened).

That's all the Paterno family report did...poke some holes in the Freeh Report without actually showing evidence of Paterno's innocence. And we know why....Paterno knew and did nothing about it.






YR

Most of the Freeh report was based on Triponey's testimony. Her stated goal was to get rid of the football team as she felt there was no need for a purely male sport in a gender neutral college environment. And you wonder why she was fired and had an ax to grind in the Freeh report?

If Triponey's imaginary "Paterno threatened to stop fundraising" was a fact, why was he still raising funds as well as donating millions of his own money in the two years after the discipline issue and Triponey's dismissal?

I don't know what Paterno knew but I do know he knew less about ongoing abuse than Jim Boheim did, less than Syracuse officials did and less than all those Syracuse grads in Bristol did. They had taped admissions of abuse and sat on it. That's two sites that should be razed to the ground long before Penn State.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

I heard Jay say the same thing. Jay is wanting people to believe that JoePa was clueless. Every Paterno supporter talks about how JoePa was immensely involved in every aspect of a players life. If a players grades were faltering, JoePa knew about it and did something about it, but we are supposed to believe he didn't have a clue about his trusted defensive coordinator was accused of molestation in 1998 and that he was unaware that his "superiors" didn't do anything substantial about the 2001 incident.

For me, personally, the problem I have with that is that I can't get to the point where I believe Joe didn't know or understand. This is not a religious divulgence but I'm going to say something here, Joe Pa was a Catholic. I am a Catholic. There is no way in the world that I could ever be oblivious to the subject of Child Molestation, because I am Catholic and all that has happened in the recent history of the Catholic Church. To say it dominates the religion is, IMO, an understatement. It is such a huge issue among all Catholics that I just can't wrap my mind around it being something that Joe Pa could have been oblivious to. For me, that's really the part I can not make right in my head.

JMO

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

For me, personally, the problem I have with that is that I can't get to the point where I believe Joe didn't know or understand. This is not a religious divulgence but I'm going to say something here, Joe Pa was a Catholic. I am a Catholic. There is no way in the world that I could ever be oblivious to the subject of Child Molestation, because I am Catholic and all that has happened in the recent history of the Catholic Church. To say it dominates the religion is, IMO, an understatement. It is such a huge issue among all Catholics that I just can't wrap my mind around it being something that Joe Pa could have been oblivious to. For me, that's really the part I can not make right in my head.

JMO

I have heard that point brought up quite a bit this week and agree with you.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

Most of the Freeh report was based on Triponey's testimony. .

That is your opinion. Are you saying you disagree with the Freeh report with regards to Curley, Spanier, Schultz and most importantly Sandusky? Or is it just the Paterno part that is all wrong?

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

For me, personally, the problem I have with that is that I can't get to the point where I believe Joe didn't know or understand. This is not a religious divulgence but I'm going to say something here, Joe Pa was a Catholic. I am a Catholic. There is no way in the world that I could ever be oblivious to the subject of Child Molestation, because I am Catholic and all that has happened in the recent history of the Catholic Church. To say it dominates the religion is, IMO, an understatement. It is such a huge issue among all Catholics that I just can't wrap my mind around it being something that Joe Pa could have been oblivious to. For me, that's really the part I can not make right in my head.

JMO

He was not oblivious to it, he just dealt with it in the same way that the Catholic church did.

Until it becomes public.