How Can We Be 20 Million Over the Cap?

[coogrfan]

Originally Posted by muck4doo

Or it can also be we have a jerk like Mara who also added to that cap number to try to bring his own y team some help.

That certainly didn't help, but no one can reasonably claim that our current cap situation is anyone's fault other than our own.

[PAINFROMUKRAINE]

Originally Posted by coogrfan

Yeah, but...your owner can be a "people person"; your GM can't. The GM needs to be the SOB in the room willing to accept the role of the bad guy who tells aging stars "no". JJ's pattern of behavior over the past twenty years has made it clear that he cannot or will not accept that role. The result is numerous big contracts for players who are either unproven, overrated or just plain getting old.

I am in agreement with your statments. However, the players need to perform. Jerry's checks do not bounce so the players need to play. They are hired guns and right now some of the hired guns are shooting blanks.

[CosmicCowboy]

Originally Posted by PAINFROMUKRAINE

I am in agreement with your statments. However, the players need to perform. Jerry's checks do not bounce so the players need to play. They are hired guns and right now some of the hired guns are shooting blanks.

not bad....

[CosmicCowboy]

Originally Posted by Western

An objective and an accurate analysis of the ineffective and impractical management structure of the Cowboys organization.

bingo...but you better duck Blondie....

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by Western

An objective and an accurate analysis of the ineffective and impractical management structure of the Cowboys organization.

Actually, we are over the cap because we write our contracts to allow max flexibility.

Take Carr's deal -- people are all up in arms that he has a 16 mill cap number.

But here is how his deal breaks down. 5 years - 50 mill. 10 mill of that is signing bonus. The SB is charged at 2 mill a year for the first 5 years of the deal. There is a club option for a 6th year. His base for 2013 is fully guaranteed (as was his 2012 base). So about 25 mill of his deal is guaranteed.

The guaranteed money could simply have been paid out at a signing bonus. If we did that the bonus would be charged at about 5 mill a year. Instead, what we are going to do is convert his most of his 2013 salary to bonus. That spreads about 13 mill over the next 5 years - including the option year which is year 6.

What does that mean capwise? It means his hit less than 6 mill for the year.

So why all these machinations? Why not just have the cap hit all as part of the initial signing bonus?

Flexibility. If, for example, we don't end up landing a the sort of free agents we want, we simply do nothing and take the 16 mill hit this year. That 16 mill would be the biggest cap hit of the contract.

[conner01]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

We are not the only ones.

any team who has a roster where your stars are 30 is gonna be in the same boat. the ravens now have to pay their qb and jus this week i read how they could'nt keep many of their players because they don't have the cap room.
fans don't get that two contracts for the same amount of money does'nt mean the same things. many of our contracts were designed to restructure and clear space later on. just part of how it works.
many fans attack jerry for signing guys they supported signing. the roy williams deal is a prime example. free also. don't remember many fans saying let free walk

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Vinnie2u

The way I see it Only 4 Players deserve Big Money. Ware, Romo(Maybe), Carr and Witten. We have Players that are young and on Rookie contracts. T. Smith, Dez, Mo, Carter, Lee, Murray ect. Our Oline is Garbage, our Dline is Garbage our Safeties are Garbage.. Where did all the money go? 2 words Cap Mismanagement. Now we gotta make decisions on Spencer, Jenkins, Spears, Felix and Butler.. Atlanta is 4.9 under, Ravens 15 under, Denver 18.5 under, Packers 7 under, New England 19 under, San Fran 9 under. Jerry we gotta do better..

You have to realize that those are the cap numbers for the players currently under contract.

If you compare Atlanta at 4.9M under and Denver at 18.5M under, it's doubtful that you're comparing apples-to-apples. If Atlanta has 3 Free Agents and Denver has 12 Free Agents, then you're comparing a 50 player roster for Atlanta to 41 player roster for Denver.

Basically those published numbers are meaningless. Dallas put an automatic restructure clause into Carr's contract that will lower it by over 10M for 2013.

The Cowboys really only have two "bad" contracts, Doug Free and Ratliff. The can reduce the cap by 7M if they release Doug Free.

If Free is released, he will have been paid 17M for 2-years or 8.5M per season. It's not great, but not really that astronomical for a player that almost everybody thought was going to be a good Left Tackle.

That leaves Ratliff as the only remaining "bad" contract. It should be a warning to people that want to give Spencer a big long-term contract. Giving big contracts to non-QB players near 30 is a big risk. It is prohibitive to cut Ratliff this year; however, cutting him after the 2013 season will not have a significant affect on the 2014 cap.

[Future]

Originally Posted by JPM

Ravens 15 mill under, I wonder how much Flacco will take up once he's singed.....

All of it

That's why they might have to release Boldin

[Smith22]

Originally Posted by JPM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

thank, our all wise and powerful GM.....

Ravens 15 mill under, I wonder how much Flacco will take up once he's singed.....

flacco, boldin, kruger, reed, mckinnie, etc... they are in trouble cap wise. ilb is up for a contract also.


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[rbr651]

Does anyone have the projected numbers for the next four or so years? Just looking at the numbers for one year can be misleading, I want to see what year we finally get healthy and when we are projected to stop paying players that no longer work here. I think we are closer to a SB than we are a 2-14 season, that being said I think are hands are going to be tied for the next couple of years when it comes to signing FA. When it comes down to it I think we might sign a couple of serviceable FA's but no show stoppers. We're going to have to get by with what we have and with what we draft. The one thing that might change our situation would be trading one of our high dollar players, but we've worked the cap over so many times that that might not even be an option at this time. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if we were to trade, let's say Ware, how much would that actually save us? How much would we still be paying the guy to go somewhere else and win a SB?

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by rbr651

Does anyone have the projected numbers for the next four or so years? Just looking at the numbers for one year can be misleading, I want to see what year we finally get healthy and when we are projected to stop paying players that no longer work here. I think we are closer to a SB than we are a 2-14 season, that being said I think are hands are going to be tied for the next couple of years when it comes to signing FA. When it comes down to it I think we might sign a couple of serviceable FA's but no show stoppers. We're going to have to get by with what we have and with what we draft. The one thing that might change our situation would be trading one of our high dollar players, but we've worked the cap over so many times that that might not even be an option at this time. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if we were to trade, let's say Ware, how much would that actually save us? How much would we still be paying the guy to go somewhere else and win a SB?

We are cap healthy. There is no cap "situation" - xwalker pretty much explains this in every single post

[Wood]

Chew on this for while:

Superbowl winning Baltimore Ravens are 15 million under the cap.

San Francisco has 14 draft picks in 2013 draft.

Dallas is 20 million over the cap and on verge of being limited by salary cap (after spencer & romo extensions) in foreseeable future with basically the same team. There are clear definable reasons this team does not advance each year.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by Wood

Chew on this for while:

Superbowl winning Baltimore Ravens are 15 million under the cap.

San Francisco has 14 draft picks in 2013 draft.

Dallas is 20 million over the cap and on verge of being limited by salary cap (after spencer & romo extensions) in foreseeable future with basically the same team. There are clear definable reasons this team does not advance each year.

The Ravens are under the cap by that amount because they have Flacco, Reed, Ellerbee, and Kruger with expiring deals. They have to make a decision on Terrell Suggs - keep at 13 mill a year or cut and take about an 11 mill hit

They aren't in better shape. They have more expired contracts.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Romo will be restructured and probably saving 8 mil this yr.

Carr is young he will be in Dallas for this contract and possibly 1 more. IMO they could probably save 8-10 mil this yr.

Ware could probably save 4

Free will be cut saving 7

Thats like 27-29 mil right there.

All that money just gets pushed down the line.

I can't believe that Dallas is doing almost what Washington used to do in spending every single cent and annually reworking all those contracts and nobody really seems to have much of a problem with it.

Only real difference is Dallas is overpaying guys on their roster instead of going out and signing Lavernius Coles and a bunch of other guys from other teams.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

All that money just gets pushed down the line.

I can't believe that Dallas is doing almost what Washington used to do in spending every single cent and annually reworking all those contracts and nobody really seems to have much of a problem with it.

Only real difference is Dallas is overpaying guys on their roster instead of going out and signing Lavernius Coles and a bunch of other guys from other teams.

What you are missing is that we are "pushing it down the line" differently than some teams. Instead of a 20 mill signing bonus we might give a 10 mill SB and a 10 mill guaranteed 2nd year of a deal (or sometimes even the third).

That makes our cap for the 2nd year appear bloated, but what it really does is give us flexibility to convert that big salary year to bonus -- or just leave it that way if we don't need the cap space (or convert part and leave part as salary).

A team that starts out with the big SB doesn't see a bloated 2nd year cap number. But they also don't see the flexibility to use that money in multiple manners.

Every team is "pushing it down the line" - we are doing it in a manner that makes everyone freak out and scream "we are in cap HELL!!!!"