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**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Denim Chicken

It's hardly thankless, this Country worships the military.

This is not true.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by CowboyMcCoy

Some do for some reason.

Does this statement mean that you do not understand why some pay honor to Soldiers?

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Denim Chicken

I guess you don't understand hyperbole

I understand hyperbole. I also understand when it is in bad form.

RastaRocket · 02-13-2013

Here is the link to the article (more like announcement) I read.

http://www.arabnews.com/us-sniper-wh...aq-shot-dead-0

Look at the comments on the bottom of the page.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by RastaRocket

Here is the link to the article (more like announcement) I read.

http://www.arabnews.com/us-sniper-wh...aq-shot-dead-0

Look at the comments on the bottom of the page.

I'd rather not. It will only worsen my opinion of such people. No good can come of it.

RastaRocket · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I'd rather not. It will only worsen my opinion of such people. No good can come of it.

We say the same thing about their people. It's no different than the Dorner story. To them, we are the police killing innocent people. To us, they are psychopaths. That's why there will never be peace. Until we can understand and respect one another, nothing will ever get accomplished.

Honestly, if I lived there I would hate us to. I understand their frustration.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by RastaRocket

We say the same thing about their people. It's no different than the Dorner story. To them, we are the police killing innocent people. To us, they are psychopaths. That's why there will never be peace. Until we can understand and respect one another, nothing will ever get accomplished.

Honestly, if I lived there I would hate us to. I understand their frustration.

No. That is War. The Dorner situation is not. It is great to say all of this but the fact is that in this country, you can actually say what you have said and what those others commented with no fear of retaliation.

There, you can not do that. You are not the only person who has spent time there. It's not the same and to suggest that it is is simply not true.

RastaRocket · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

No. That is War. The Dorner situation is not. It is great to say all of this but the fact is that in this country, you can actually say what you have said and what those others commented with no fear of retaliation.

There, you can not do that. You are not the only person who has spent time there. It's not the same and to suggest that it is is simply not true.

In the big picture, it is the same.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by RastaRocket

In the big picture, it is the same.

OK.

We differ in opinion. I understand that and it's fine.

Denim Chicken · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

This is not true.

You really think so? Seems to me members of the Military are beyond reproach, honored at most functions, have their own Holiday's, special privileges, yellow ribbons, various organizations to support them, and on and on. Perhaps your confusing the regard for our service members for the warranted disregard for our Foreign Policy, which are two separate animals.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Denim Chicken

You really think so? Seems to me members of the Military are beyond reproach, honored at most functions, have their own Holiday's, special privileges, yellow ribbons, various organizations to support them, and on and on. Perhaps your confusing the regard for our service members for the warranted disregard for our Foreign Policy, which are two separate animals.

Yes, I really think so. Members of the Military are not always honored. I am not confused about any part of how the Military is treated. The Military doesn't have "there own Holiday", per say. Yes, they have holidays that are set aside to honor them but those holidays are enjoyed by everybody so I don't know that you can say they belong to the Military. When your active duty, you don't enjoy a lot of those holidays the way you do when you are a civilian so I do think there is a distinction. I can't remember the last time I was at a public function where something was done or said about a Vet. I don't know what the Special Privilages are. There are benefits that Vets get but those are becoming harder and harder to come by and in truth, they are not special privileges, per say. They are benefits that are owed to them, based on a contractual agreement with the Federal Government. The special groups that support them are usually privately held and owned. There are some groups that receive federal support but that is part of the VA funding so I don't really see that as a "Special Organizational Support Effort". The sad part, as far as I am concerned, is that there is a need for such organizations. In truth, the Government should really be holding up their end of the deal and nothing special or out of the ordinary should be needed but they are. That's a short fall in the benefits promised as I see it. That's not really a good thing IMO.

VietCowboy · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Denim Chicken

You really think so? Seems to me members of the Military are beyond reproach, honored at most functions, have their own Holiday's, special privileges, yellow ribbons, various organizations to support them, and on and on. Perhaps your confusing the regard for our service members for the warranted disregard for our Foreign Policy, which are two separate animals.

When veterans are disproportionately represented in the homeless population (a study found 15% of homeless were veterans, but they represent less than 10% of the general population, and have a risk factor over 50% higher than the general population for homelessness), and many with mental illnesses that don't get the help they need. They also stay homeless for much longer, averaging 5.7 years (homeless, on the other hand, average 3.9 years).

Yes, some are recognized, but countless are much worst off after serving.

CanadianCowboysFan · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by VietCowboy

When veterans are disproportionately represented in the homeless population (a study found 15% of homeless were veterans, but they represent less than 10% of the general population, and have a risk factor over 50% higher than the general population for homelessness), and many with mental illnesses that don't get the help they need. They also stay homeless for much longer, averaging 5.7 years (homeless, on the other hand, average 3.9 years).

Yes, some are recognized, but countless are much worst off after serving.

One must wonder though if as was written above, the type who join up to be grunts tend to be those who don't have many other options. Yes the majority are probably doing it for love of country, protect, maybe get an educ etc, but many have little hope for anything else etc.

They might have ended up homeless in the first place.

RastaRocket · 02-13-2013

Really the only way to get properly taken care of by the military is to put in your 20 years. Retired NFL players get taken care of better than soldiers, and they make a ton more money. It's sad because our government is the one who sends them to fight, which screws them up, and then they hardly take care of them.

CanadianCowboysFan · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by RastaRocket

Really the only way to get properly taken care of by the military is to put in your 20 years. Retired NFL players get taken care of better than soldiers, and they make a ton more money. It's sad because our government is the one who sends them to fight, which screws them up, and then they hardly take care of them.

true but no one is forced to join the military, you voluntarily sign up to be shot at and to get PTSD