Running the Seattle Defense

[xwalker]

This all started with a radio interview with Carr. It's possible that Kiffin made this comment specifically to Carr or to the secondary. It might not have been a statement made to the entire defense.

Also, Seattle's Defensive Coordinator is a Kiffin protege.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by xwalker

This all started with a radio interview with Carr. It's possible that Kiffin made this comment specifically to Carr or to the secondary. It might not have been a statement made to the entire defense.

Also, Seattle's Defensive Coordinator is a Kiffin protege.

He told Hatcher the same and also told Hatcher he will being play DE and DT depending on the package

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Wood

maybe my point is Dallas isn't physical enough on defense to get same results as Seattle and not having a Earl Thomas is huge.

Again did you read my post. I stated that one of the needs was a thomas like safety. We need a playmaking safety no matter what defense we run.

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

If Monte Kiffin were worried about public relations and fan opinion, seems like the best way to do so would be to directly come out and give a direct statement to fans about how we're running Seattle's defense.

Not the round-about way of privately saying that we're running something similar to Seattle's defense to the players, and then hoping that they find a way to squeeze it into a conversation to reporters when pressed about it.

Just using Occam's Razor here, I would suggest the reason he brought up Seattle's defense to the players is because he's going to have them play in something similar to Seattle's defense, and there are no grand Machiavellian intentions at play.

Ahh, I see... slight misunderstanding here. It's not Kiffen doing any PR. It's the Cowboys. It's not having hatcher look at Seattle's D that's PR at all. that's just coaching. It's that Hatcher mentioned it and brought it to light. Players are coached on what to say and I have do doubt that the nugget about him looking at film of Seattle's D was intentional. I wouldn't be surprised if Hatcher is looking at film of 3 or 4 different teams at this point (Chicago at the very least) but Seattle was brought up for a specific purpose. IMO it was because we as fans very likely have a strong memory of that spanking, and turning that memory into hope that our D could become that was the purpose.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by Erik_H

Ahh, I see... slight misunderstanding here. It's not Kiffen doing any PR. It's the Cowboys. It's not having hatcher look at Seattle's D that's PR at all. that's just coaching. It's that Hatcher mentioned it and brought it to light. Players are coached on what to say and I have do doubt that the nugget about him looking at film of Seattle's D was intentional. I wouldn't be surprised if Hatcher is looking at film of 3 or 4 different teams at this point (Chicago at the very least) but Seattle was brought up for a specific purpose. IMO it was because we as fans very likely have a strong memory of that spanking, and turning that memory into hope that our D could become that was the purpose.

From what I know, the media didn't get this direct from Kiffin. They got it via the players.

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

From what I know, the media didn't get this direct from Kiffin. They got it via the players.

Right. It was from Hatcher.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by Erik_H

Right. It was from Hatcher.

So Hatcher is in charge of PR now?

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Carroll's 4-3 under has more in common with Tom Landry than Monte Kiffin. **should add Belichek of course.

He's given many talks on this.

See this article.
http://trojanfootballanalysis.com/?p=308

It isn't a Tampa 2 defense at all.
Plays a ton of cover 1.

Actually makes a lot of sense for Dallas who just spent a fortune to plug in 2 man corners.


Will be interesting to watch.

And of course regardless of scheme we need better safety play than we had in 2012 where it was in the 2 or 3 worst of the entire league.

Yes. The knashing of teeth early on about having "Cover 2" safties has thankfully subsided.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Erik_H

Right. It was from Hatcher.

and also Carr

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

So Hatcher is in charge of PR now?

Or is that what they WANT you to believe.

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

So Hatcher is in charge of PR now?

Do you think that the players aren't told what to say when they go on radio shows? Seriously?

[CyberB0b]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Alan Branch isn't a nose tackle for them. He's a 3 tech gap shooter because he naturally plays high and sucks at anchoring at the point of attack (which is why he was a failure as a two gapper in Arizona's 3-4) . Brandon Mebane is their 1 tech who at 310 lbs. occupies the guard and center gap just by being quick off the snap and short/squatty enough to use leverage to anchor.






If the Cowboys ran a similar 4-3 over/under base, I'm assuming the translation would be as follows...

"Leo" 9-tech - Chris Clemons - > Ware

1 tech - Brandon Mebane --> Ratliff

3 Tech - Alan Branch --> Hatcher

5 Tech - Red Bryant --> Crawford

Interesting. Can't really run a T2 variant with corners playing that off. It looks like that is just a sub package or something that Kiffin wouldn't run very often.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by CyberB0b

Interesting. Can't really run a T2 variant with corners playing that off. It looks like that is just a sub package or something that Kiffin wouldn't run very often.

That is a sub package, look at howthe offense is bundled up so it brings the defense together. Usually the base is press man and Branch is over head of the RG and Mebane is in the gap between the C and LG

[BAT]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Carroll's 4-3 under has more in common with Tom Landry than Monte Kiffin. **should add Belichek of course.

He's given many talks on this.

See this article.
http://trojanfootballanalysis.com/?p=308

It isn't a Tampa 2 defense at all.
Plays a ton of cover 1.

Actually makes a lot of sense for Dallas who just spent a fortune to plug in 2 man corners.


Will be interesting to watch.

And of course regardless of scheme we need better safety play than we had in 2012 where it was in the 2 or 3 worst of the entire league.

Did you even read the linked article? If you have followed Carroll's career at all you would know that he has used the 4-3 under everywhere he has been. And he learned the 4-3 under from Kiffin. Carroll has tweaked the fronts and secondary coverages but it is still essentially the 4-3 under.

Tampa 2 is a misnomer for Kiffin's 4-3 under. The 2 is for the 2 high safeties but the safeties will move around and change coverage based on what the offense shows. Kiffin played a lot of cover 2 in Tampa but that is not all he played.

Landry invented the 4-3 but his 4-3 Flex was very different. Jimmy Johnson's 4-3 Over (or Slide) was also very different as well.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

That is a sub package, look at howthe offense is bundled up so it brings the defense together. Usually the base is press man and Branch is over head of the RG and Mebane is in the gap between the C and LG

The WRs are lined up in "nasty" splits to get the defense out of press coverage.

These type of splits usually tip their hand that they they will be routes that break towards the sidelines and a defense will play off coverage with outside leverage especially on 1st and 10s.