Future Salary Cap Hell (or not)

[Hoofbite]

How is Carr slotted for 3M when he has SBs of 2M attributable for the years of 2014, 2015, 2016?

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by xwalker

I don't know where you're coming up with 90M.

They will take about 12M of Carr's 2013 base and convert it into a restructure bonus which will be spread out over 4 years. That is 3M added to 2014.

Estimated restructure additions to 2014:

Carr: 3M
Ware: 2M
Austin: 1.5M
Witten: 1M
Spencer: Doubtful to be re-signed
Romo: ? New Contract

What I stated wasn't hard to understand was it?
Add at least 30m as much as 90m guaranteed?

Romo--at least 25m guaranteed.
Carr--at least 10m additional guarantee.
Austin--6m
Spencer--(IF they get him back it's with ~20m guaranteed)
Ware--8m
Witten et al 3-4m each.

I am talking total guaranteed money not 2014 cap hits.

[Bluefin]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

How is Carr slotted for 3M when he has SBs of 2M attributable for the years of 2014, 2015, 2016?

That was an example of what Brandon Carr's new signing bonus pro-ration would be following his upcoming restructure, not his total cap number.

Carr is currently shown with a $16.3M cap number ($14.3M base salary, $2M signing bonus) in 2013.

The base salary is already guaranteed because the team intended all along to convert into a second signing bonus to help with the salary cap.

I don't know if Carr's salary will drop to the veteran's minimum or a slightly higher number.

As an example, if it is dropped to $1.2M, the remaining 13.1M will convert to another signing bonus and pro-rate over the next five years (2.62M per yr).

Add Carr's base salary ($1.2M), old signing bonus ($2M) and new signing bonus ($2.62M) to get his new cap number, $5.82M.

This example would save Dallas $10.48M against the cap in 2013.

[Bluefin]

Originally Posted by The Quest for Six

It's been reported by Todd Archer that 2015,16 and 17 is going to be an issue with the cap for Dallas...you can restructure contracts but at some point you're going to have to pay the piper with regards to the Cap.

Originally Posted by The Quest for Six

It's been reported by Todd Archer that 2015,16 and 17 is going to be an issue with the cap for Dallas...you can restructure contracts but at some point you're going to have to pay the piper with regards to the Cap.

There are only 18 players currently under contract in 2015.

There are only 9 players currently under contract in 2016.

And there are only 3 players currently under contract in 2017.

Dallas will extend Tony Romo in the near future and others will follow down the line.

So money will be added.

But the team is going to get rid of a few bad contracts every year, too.

Doug Free's contract is 7th ($43.2M) on the team in total value and his head is on the chopping block.

Jay Ratliff's is 6th ($48.6M) and he may only last another year or two.

Miles Austin's is 3rd ($54.1M) and this could be his last year.

Gerald Sensabaugh's is 9th (25M) and he may only last one more year.

Marcus Spears' is 10th ($19.2M) and I expect him to get cut soon.

Nate Livings' is 11th ($18.7M) and Mackenzy Bernadeau's is 16th ($11.5M), both can be tossed in 2014 or anytime thereafter.

It balances out.

Romo will get $35M guaranteed (a combination of signing bonus and base salaries) or thereabouts in his extension and end up with an estimated 2013 cap number around $8 to $10M.

The 2013 base salaries of Free ($7M), Dan Connor ($3M), Marcus Spears ($2M), and Lawrence Vickers ($1.2M) equal $13.2M in real dollars Jerry Jones can instead invest in his quarterback and other players.

In 2014, it will be some combination of Austin ($5.5M), Livings ($3.4M), Bernadeau ($2.25M), Ratliff ($5.5M) and Sensabaugh ($4M) while also saving another $11M on Free and Spears.

That's up to $31.65M in real money that can be used elsewhere.

Rinse and repeat in 2015.

[T-RO]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

From the way Jerry and Stephan sound they dont seem to be thinking the cap will be as much of a problem as media and fans think. And if they arent as worried why is everybody else? Im sure they know more about it then we do.

When have Stephen or Jerry EVER admitted a salary cap problem or a personnel problem during the offseason!?!?!?

Answer: Not ONCE.

[ABQcowboyJR]

The bases for the future cap hell is due to the players we will have to resign. Say we resign Romo and Spencer. We are going to have to resign Claiborne, Dez, Lee, Carter, T. Smith... These are gonna be pretty big contracts to go along with all the dead money we will be carrying.

[jnday]

The bottom line is that Jerry treats the salary cap like many people treat their own finances, poorly. Every year this team is tied down by bad contracts like Free and Rat and it hurts the team to cut them due to dead money. Dallas is always one of the leagues higher spenders under the cap and they don't get the return their money. Is there ever going to be a year when the cap does not hold the team back? Sure, other teams face the same salary cap. They just manage it better.

Reworking these contracts can only go so far. Sooner or later the guaranteed contracts hsve to be honored and the money paid. I remember Jerry saying a few months ago that Dallas was one of the highest spending teams in the league and that he wasn't getting his money worth. If he wascreally upset about it, then he might consider rethinking some of these bad contracts.

In a couple of years players such as Lee, Carter, Dez and Tyron are going to want to get paid. Better salary cap management would make these signings possible.

Unlike some fans, I don't think Stephen is some salary cap guru. I think some outside help could be used in salary cap management.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by ABQcowboyJR

The bases for the future cap hell is due to the players we will have to resign. Say we resign Romo and Spencer. We are going to have to resign Claiborne, Dez, Lee, Carter, T. Smith... These are gonna be pretty big contracts to go along with all the dead money we will be carrying.

Actually Ware and Austin (if restructured) will be biggest risk of dead money hit when they stop playing for Dallas. I would rather do what it takes just to get even for this year and then make moderate FA moves next year. They have to have a really really good draft to help get out of this mess.

[LatinMind]

Originally Posted by T-RO

When have Stephen or Jerry EVER admitted a salary cap problem or a personnel problem during the offseason!?!?!?

Answer: Not ONCE.

Has it ever stopped them from doing what they wanted?

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Bluefin

That was an example of what Brandon Carr's new signing bonus pro-ration would be following his upcoming restructure, not his total cap number.

Carr is currently shown with a $16.3M cap number ($14.3M base salary, $2M signing bonus) in 2013.

The base salary is already guaranteed because the team intended all along to convert into a second signing bonus to help with the salary cap.

I don't know if Carr's salary will drop to the veteran's minimum or a slightly higher number.

As an example, if it is dropped to $1.2M, the remaining 13.1M will convert to another signing bonus and pro-rate over the next five years (2.62M per yr).

Add Carr's base salary ($1.2M), old signing bonus ($2M) and new signing bonus ($2.62M) to get his new cap number, $5.82M.

This example would save Dallas $10.48M against the cap in 2013.

Not sure we're talking the same thing.

The OP is talking about the cap charge for cutting those players.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Has it ever stopped them from doing what they wanted?

Do you think they would make it public if it did? Jerry's ego wouldn't allow it. He likes to be known as a man that gets what he wants. I hope you don't believe that it hasn't limited him at times. You only read about him getting his man. Failures are not made public.

[ABQcowboyJR]

Originally Posted by jnday

Do you think they would make it public if it did? Jerry's ego wouldn't allow it. He likes to be known as a man that gets what he wants. I hope you don't believe that it hasn't limited him at times. You only read about him getting his man. Failures are not made public.

Hence, Nmadi.... blessing in disguise.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by jnday

Do you think they would make it public if it did? Jerry's ego wouldn't allow it. He likes to be known as a man that gets what he wants. I hope you don't believe that it hasn't limited him at times. You only read about him getting his man. Failures are not made public.

Hence Namdi invalidates this entire notion. Max Unger has also been widely publicized. Acting like all you read is good things about Jerry Jones is laughable.

[Bluefin]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Not sure we're talking the same thing.

The OP is talking about the cap charge for cutting those players.

You're right.

I thought you were talking about the $3M number xwalker gave when estimating the yearly pro-ration of Brandon Carr's new signing bonus when he restructures in the near future.

There would be $6M in remaining signing bonus after the 2013 season before the restructure takes place, so I don't know how he came up with only $3M in dead money.

Following the restructure, there will be something like $16.48M in remaining signing bonus money after the 2013 season.

[T-RO]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Has it ever stopped them from doing what they wanted?

Repeatedly.