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CanadianCowboysFan · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

I see a commonality of victims striking back, maybe taking justice into their own hands.

Can't speak for the man that killed the drunk, but there are way too many DUI deaths and they are done by people that have been repeat offenders. Texas leads the US in DUI deaths.

He may have been thinking he would make sure this drunk never had a chance to do it again, but I can't get into his mind.

Difference is, at least the store owner could be said to be defending his property by shooting an intruder. He didn't go home, get a gun, go back to the scene and shoot someone.

speedkilz88 · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

Difference is, at least the store owner could be said to be defending his property by shooting an intruder. He didn't go home, get a gun, go back to the scene and shoot someone.

Maybe this guy will say he was saving future lives.

muck4doo · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Sorry but it got cut off (too many characters).
Father ‘shot dead drunk driver moments after he crashed into truck killing his two young sons

For some reason the auto link is a dead link. Here's the direct one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...age-11-12.html

Thank you

CowboyMcCoy · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by numnuts23

As a father, I'm not sure I wouldn't have done the same. I know sitting here typing this, that it was wrong, but at that moment, given that situation....I'm just not sure.

I can say, as a father who lost his daughter to similar negligence, I don't blame him one bit.

**MichaelWinicki** · 02-13-2013

I understand the anger. And as a father I may have done the same.

BUT by doing so you greatly injure the wife and children you're leaving behind assuming you go to prison. You can't do a thing the dead boys, but the children that remain and his wife will need him and he won't be there... It will be like he's dead too.

CowboyMcCoy · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

I understand the anger. And as a father I may have done the same.

BUT by doing so you greatly injure the wife and children you're leaving behind assuming you go to prison. You can't do a thing the dead boys, but the children that remain and his wife will need him and he won't be there... It will be like he's dead too.

I don't think he'll go to prison. He has the option of a jury and many will understand.

ShiningStar · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

I understand the anger. And as a father I may have done the same.

BUT by doing so you greatly injure the wife and children you're leaving behind assuming you go to prison. You can't do a thing the dead boys, but the children that remain and his wife will need him and he won't be there... It will be like he's dead too.

Take into account, there mght be a great chance, the guy isnt sentenced to death, could you live with the fact, they guy got to kill someone and come out as cheap as a few years in prison KNOWING that the act he was doing can cause death?

If i was a father i dont think i could live with it. ALso it would eat me up alive that i have to pay for his life on top of that.

**MichaelWinicki** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by ShiningStar

Take into account, there mght be a great chance, the guy isnt sentenced to death, could you live with the fact, they guy got to kill someone and come out as cheap as a few years in prison KNOWING that the act he was doing can cause death?

If i was a father i dont think i could live with it. ALso it would eat me up alive that i have to pay for his life on top of that.

Oh as a father I agree.

I know off the top of my head several cases locally (over the last few years) where the same thing has happened– where a drunk driver kills someone's child. And yes in many cases the drunk driver hasn't gotten a long prison term.

However if we start allowing folks to simply pop a cap in a drunk driver's knot... Well I'm not sure that's a path we want to go down... because where does it stop?

**MichaelWinicki** · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by CowboyMcCoy

I don't think he'll go to prison. He has the option of a jury and many will understand.

Yep, I'm sure that some will understand... more than understand, but avoiding prison... I don't know about that one.

ShiningStar · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Oh as a father I agree.

I know off the top of my head several cases locally (over the last few years) where the same thing has happened– where a drunk driver kills someone's child. And yes in many cases the drunk driver hasn't gotten a long prison term.

However if we start allowing folks to simply pop a cap in a drunk driver's knot... Well I'm not sure that's a path we want to go down... because where does it stop?

i dont know personally, but gun laws havent stopped violence and fines havent stopped it. So neither are the answers, sorry if thats to blunt i dont try to make it sound that way.

Trust me not trying to come off that i know more. Smply getting your view point and i like the conversation.

And now that some of this is going thru my head with another persons POV, i dont even think anything i would try would be the answer. But i can say the guy gave a few people pause about getting behind the wheel.

I know this because some people have shocked me by saying they agree with me that "the innocent didnt ask for it" and that the drunk person did take a life and maybe it should be considered that their life is forfiet."

Do i hav ethe answer that will work, no, can i judge this guy, definetly not. Can we allow it to go on, possibly not, but there is something said for vigiliatnism and possibly the threat of it will deter some of the results.

Rackat · 02-13-2013

Premeditated versus Temporary Insanity. His kids were just killed. I think I might lose my mind too.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · 02-13-2013

This would be the problem I'd have as a juror.

Did he do it? Yes or No

If the answer is Yes, often there is a mandatory sentence.

That would give me an incentive to privately say "Yes he did it", but rule "No" because I don't agree with the minimum mandatory sentence.

Know what I mean?

CowboyMcCoy · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Yep, I'm sure that some will understand... more than understand, but avoiding prison... I don't know about that one.

Just curious. If he did what he did, which it seems pretty hard to kick this rap, then he's guilty. The question is, how much do you punish him? He already paid the ultimate price.

CowboyMcCoy · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

This would be the problem I'd have as a juror.

Did he do it? Yes or No

If the answer is Yes, often there is a mandatory sentence.

That would give me an incentive to privately say "Yes he did it", but rule "No" because I don't agree with the minimum mandatory sentence.

Know what I mean?

2-5 years of probation. That's all I got for you. Naw'm sayin'?

jnday · 02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Oh as a father I agree.

I know off the top of my head several cases locally (over the last few years) where the same thing has happened– where a drunk driver kills someone's child. And yes in many cases the drunk driver hasn't gotten a long prison term.

However if we start allowing folks to simply pop a cap in a drunk driver's knot... Well I'm not sure that's a path we want to go down... because where does it stop?

Where does it stop? I would say it stops when the number of habitual drunk drivers are killed off to zero. I am joking, but I know several drunk drivers from my area have been involved in accidents that resulted in deaths. Very, very few have ever served any time. I.have lost family members from drunk driving. It is hard to see a murderer go free.