Laufenberg and Broaddus disagree on the best option at center - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

**big dog cowboy** · 02-15-2013

Ask Callahan.

conner01 · 02-15-2013

bernie is a terrible guard. i have no problem with him competing with costa at center. thats what camp is for. at the very leats they both can play a little guard and gives you depth. i think if he can stay healthy costa can be a good center. but to me we have to get a guard because while we don't know if bernie can play center or not, we do know he is a very bad guard

Rack Bauer · 02-15-2013

I side with Broaddus on this one. NOt that I think Berny would be a HoF center, but I agree he's better suited there.

I think it would be an upgrade over Costa and he'd be a solid player in that spot. We'd need a RG that could immediately become the 2nd or 3rd best offensive linemen on the team, and a RT that could be the 2nd or 3rd best offensive linemen on the team.

LIvings are Berny (as a center) are ok, but they should be your 4th and 5th best guys on the OL.

Rack Bauer · 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by jterrell

The important thing is adding talent.

Letting that talent then settle into a good group.

We clearly whiffed on Free last year. Had we started a Pro Bowl RT our OL would have looked OK. But to pay the worst starting OT in football Pro Bolwer cash we were destined to fail.

Costa and Bern both deserve to come back and compete for a job. I wouldn't pay costa big money and I wouldn't hesitate to use Bern as my interior back up.

But I also wouldn't panic. If a top notch RT is there I take that first and foremost. If not I am fine with a stud OG.

The only Tackle I'd take in the first is FIsher (Joeckl won't be there and I'm not high on Johnson). Fisher most likely won't be there either (consensus is he's the 2nd best, IMO he's THE best T in the draft). So that leaves G and DT as the positions available at 18 that would be BPA. I'd be fine with either of those positions at at (Warmack or Cooper at 18, and a 2-3 of the DTs depending on how the top 17 picks shake out).

CowboyMcCoy · 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Mind you that Babe was a huge Kevin Ogletree fan, too. He does get things wrong. He's just very opinionated, arrogant, and stubborn about his opinions.

Our resident scout, couchscout, was also an Ogletree guy. It just goes to show you they're human too. I had high hopes for Dwayne Harris in camp and it turns out if you were going to pay someone to find the more talented player, I would have deserved the money.

I'm taking offers.

speedkilz88 · 02-15-2013

Scouts judge ability and Ogletree has it. What they can't really do is judge how bad the player wants it.

CowboyMcCoy · 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Scouts judge ability and Ogletree has it. What they can't really do is judge how bad the player wants it.

Harris has more ability in terms of what he'll be able to produce in the future. I don't think that is disputable at this point, but time could change things. I just don't see it happening.

ufcrules1 · 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by CowboyMcCoy

Our resident scout, couchscout, was also an Ogletree guy. It just goes to show you they're human too. I had high hopes for Dwayne Harris in camp and it turns out if you were going to pay someone to find the more talented player, I would have deserved the money.

I'm taking offers.

I've been on the other side of Couchscout a few times. I can't see how anyone could ever back Otree. Harris is certainly the better player. Otree had one great game all season and then he disappeared. I knew once he had that game he secured the #3 wr spot for the rest of the year. It is a shame too because Harris was a good bit better than him.

ufcrules1 · 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by CowboyMcCoy

Harris has more ability in terms of what he'll be able to produce in the future. I don't think that is disputable at this point, but time could change things. I just don't see it happening.

You are right. He was a better blocker and was great at making defenders miss as well. I love his play making ability. He plays with a lot more heart as well.

Verdict · 02-15-2013

I would love to draft the next all pro center, but from what I am hearing there don't seem to be many ELITE center prospects in this draft. I think if we take a center it will be one of the top two or none at all. With that being said, I doubt we draft a center.

I think we will take Killa, Berny and Costa into camp and the top two will probably be on the roster as top center and top backup.

Neither make me feel all warm and fuzzy, but quite honestly they may be good enough IF we get one dominant guard in the draft or FA and get serviceable play out of our RT.

brymatt94 · 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by lostar2009

I like Costa and Kolwalski at center... I would not draft a center this year unless he could play multiple positions or is highly rated. For some reason our center position was really bang up last year and Kolwalski never touch the field players played out of position the whole 9.

Like Barrett Jones?

ShiningStar · 02-15-2013

Did we lose Cook? I thought he was okay with what he had to work with? Is there any way we can make him a better player? Maybe not starting material, but definitly sub in instead of just starter and back up player. Id like to see more rotation with our positions and getting more out of back up players.

**jobberone** · 02-15-2013

I don't take sides on many players. I'm more the bring in the best you can and let them compete. Injuries, off field problems, poor scouting and fit and whatever waylay the best plans. Accumulate depth and talent and let the players sort it out.

I do think they can compete with those two guys without making C a FA/draft priority. Of course ur always looking to upgrade if possible looking at the cost.

bkight13 · 02-15-2013

I'm no expert, but it seems depth at C/RG is OK with Costa, Killa, Bern and Leary?. They almost have to cut Free, unless he agrees to $2M salary, so RT seems more of a need to compete with Parnell and provide depth.

speedkilz88 · 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by ShiningStar

Did we lose Cook? I thought he was okay with what he had to work with? Is there any way we can make him a better player? Maybe not starting material, but definitly sub in instead of just starter and back up player. Id like to see more rotation with our positions and getting more out of back up players.

No but he is really limited in the run game. He just doesn't have the wheels to get out to the 2nd level and that was a big reason they couldn't run.