Cowboys to restructure Carr's Contract

[BlueStar3398]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

That's last season. Both were cut after the 2010 season and made June 1 designated cuts to split their cap hits in 2011 and 2012.

Ok. Thanks! Good to know.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by BlueStar3398

Ok. I was just trying to find out about the dead money and cap hits because I didn't really understand it. So how much dead money for the 2013 season?

These are what spotrac shows. (unknown accuracy) But cutting guys like Free will make more. Ron Leary and Danny Coale are listed because they were cut after training camp (coale inj and ir'd on ps) and have been re-signed to new contracts since.


DEAD
Danny Coale WR
142,539
- - - 142,539
Shaun Chapas FB
28,426
- - - 28,426
Bill Nagy C
11,475
- - - 11,475
Levy Adcock T
6,000
- - - 6,000
Ron Leary G
6,000
- - - 6,000

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap-hit/

[Blue Eyed Devil]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Free will save 7mil

Broaddus said from word he's hearing at Vr Dallas will not do anything with Miles deal. He either plays better or will be cut.

Connor will be cut saving 2 mil

Ratliff IMO should be cut. And i think if Dallas stays virtually pat at DT then he'll stay. If they go out and sign FA and draft DT. Id say he's gone. Freeing up 1 mil.

That's how I see it playing out too. Ratliff is on this team unless they draft a DT in round 1.

I only see 2 players on this roster that can be counted on to be starting DTs in the NFL, that's Hatcher and Ratliff. If we were to cut Ratliff and not draft a starting DT then we'd have something like Spears/Lissy fighting for a starting job in training camp and that's just not good. So Ratliff stays unless the 1st round pick is a DT.

[Blue Eyed Devil]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

These are what spotrac shows. (unknown accuracy) But cutting guys like Free will make more. Ron Leary and Danny Coale are listed because they were cut after training camp (coale inj and ir'd on ps) and have been re-signed to new contracts since.


DEAD
Danny Coale WR
142,539
- - - 142,539
Shaun Chapas FB
28,426
- - - 28,426
Bill Nagy C
11,475
- - - 11,475
Levy Adcock T
6,000
- - - 6,000
Ron Leary G
6,000
- - - 6,000

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap-hit/

Terrence Newman was listed as a June 1 cut, right? So aren't we still eating half his contract in 2013?

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyed Devil

Terrence Newman was listed as a June 1 cut, right? So aren't we still eating half his contract in 2013?

I think you're right, because I think they had to wait until after June 1 to use his money to sign draft picks. Spotrac must have missed it.



Found this on adamjt13's blog (he doesn't have any recent ones)

DALLAS COWBOYS

Terence Newman’s cap charge goes from $8.016 million to $2 million for 2012, with $2 million in dead money left in 2013. Newman is replaced in Dallas’ Top 51 by a player whose base salary is $465,000, giving the Cowboys a net gain of $5.551 million in cap room. That puts Dallas $7,595,361 under the cap.

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by BlueStar3398

Ok. I was just trying to find out about the dead money and cap hits because I didn't really understand it. So how much dead money for the 2013 season?

The most important thing to understand about dead money is that it isn't necessarily bad. Any time a player who got a bonus doesn't play out his deal (or for longer deals, play years) there will be dead money. For most deals, that money is often much less than the cap charge for keeping the player. Dead money often comes from situations where you end up with more cap space from the move

[lostar2009]

Originally Posted by FiveRings

Is there a team that does more restructuring than us? Every off season it's like at least three guys we edit the contracts of. Why don't we nip the problem in the bud and stop paying these guys so much?

Because JJ isn't good at negotiations but at splurging and being flamboyant. Since JJ own this team he does not have to answer to no one.Unlike most gm's who would have been terminated by now if they pull half the stuff JJ have done. For example the Miles Austin deal is where JJ gave Miles an elite contract at the time,although Miles was at the time a one hit wonder. JJ could have easily given Miles a 5 year 35 million dollar front loaded it and included performance escalators in his contract so he could have potentially gain 58 million..

The only contract JJ dish out these last few years that was warranted was the Ware extension. Ratliff and Witten contracts should not been extended early but more on a wait and see approach. They basically paid Sensi and Scandrick because they had no depth behind those guys and they had to pay them.

Now we are about to commit to a qb why? because he is our best chance of winning.. but winning what ??? what have we been winning lately ??

[lostar2009]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

The most important thing to understand about dead money is that it isn't necessarily bad. Any time a player who got a bonus doesn't play out his deal (or for longer deals, play years) there will be dead money. For most deals, that money is often much less than the cap charge for keeping the player. Dead money often comes from situations where you end up with more cap space from the move

How is dead money not consider bad? Dead money is the worst money because its money being spent on someone that isn't on your roster.

[Jetsfan]

Long time ago I joined this forum when I was making a trip out to Dallas to watch the Jets get beat up on for Thanksgiving and I just wanted to jump in here.

Ive really been impressed with the level of cap discussion that goes on here. I run the website and just began a venture to track all 32 clubs. While its not perfect by any means I think its a step in the right direction and will help you guys out with your discussions on the cap. All the numbers I compiled myself through sources and internet digging (none are blatantly copied from any other cap sites which I think you can tell by the formatting). I know Adam does a great job with the Cowboys cap when he has the time so hopefully this can augment what he does with you guys. Its tough to track this many teams so if you choose to use the site and ever come across missing dead money players or other errors feel free to email me so we can review the discrepency.

The Cowboys page for 2013 is located at

http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.ph...boys&Year=2013

But you can also view overall team contracts, cap pages through 2016, estimated cap charts for every team, cap spending by position, and on and on. Each player has their own page detailing their cap charges and estimated dead money.

And yeah I would certainly expect Carr to redo his deal. Cowboys are in rough cap shape with little outs. Carr is one of the few outs as would be a Romo extension, but that is going to be expensive.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by lostar2009

Now we are about to commit to a qb why? because he is our best chance of winning.. but winning what ??? what have we been winning lately ??

Ever consider what our record would have been without Romo? Remember the post Aikman days?

[FiveRings]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Stop paying so much? If your goal is to be the Cleveland Browns then that's the way to go.

Well money is being moved around, whether it's being subtracted or shifted idk but still the contract is being overhauled so there's some truth to it

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by lostar2009

How is dead money not consider bad? Dead money is the worst money because its money being spent on someone that isn't on your roster.

You must be correct. If a guy is scheduled to make 5 million and he generates 2 mill in dead money if he's cut, it is terrible that he still counts 2 mill against the cap. Never mind that you just made a move that FREES more money than it ties up. What really matters is that we are charged 2 mill for a guy instead of seven mill against the cap.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

You must be correct. If a guy is scheduled to make 5 million and he generates 2 mill in dead money if he's cut, it is terrible that he still counts 2 mill against the cap. Never mind that you just made a move that FREES more money than it ties up. What really matters is that we are charged 2 mill for a guy instead of seven mill against the cap.

Some dead money is inevitable; but when you have $20 million in one year that shows stupidity on the part of management.

The Roy Williams, MB3 contracts were about the worst.

The real problem right now is the flat cap; while it is not going up pushing money forward builds a bad problem. That has to be watched for several years in advance. THAT is the real limiting factor now.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan

Long time ago I joined this forum when I was making a trip out to Dallas to watch the Jets get beat up on for Thanksgiving and I just wanted to jump in here.

Ive really been impressed with the level of cap discussion that goes on here. I run the website and just began a venture to track all 32 clubs. While its not perfect by any means I think its a step in the right direction and will help you guys out with your discussions on the cap. All the numbers I compiled myself through sources and internet digging (none are blatantly copied from any other cap sites which I think you can tell by the formatting). I know Adam does a great job with the Cowboys cap when he has the time so hopefully this can augment what he does with you guys. Its tough to track this many teams so if you choose to use the site and ever come across missing dead money players or other errors feel free to email me so we can review the discrepency.

[View Full Quote]The Cowboys page for 2013 is located at

http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.ph...boys&Year=2013

But you can also view overall team contracts, cap pages through 2016, estimated cap charts for every team, cap spending by position, and on and on. Each player has their own page detailing their cap charges and estimated dead money.

And yeah I would certainly expect Carr to redo his deal. Cowboys are in rough cap shape with little outs. Carr is one of the few outs as would be a Romo extension, but that is going to be expensive.

If that is accurate the Colts, Fins and Bungles have LOTs of money to spend.

[Vintage]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

If that is accurate the Colts, Fins and Bungles have LOTs of money to spend.

And the Dallas Drunkards don'