Who's the SAM linebacker?

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

The team has been preaching BPA lately. So I don't know how anyone can say there's no way we take a position in the first few rounds. That completely goes against that philosophy and really undercuts your scouts.

You know the funny thing to me is their isn't a position group on this team that couldn't use some youth or cut a guy for youth. Yet we still have some that say 'we can't draft blah blah blah', and the problem with this statement is it totally flies in the face of BPA and the recent success we have had from it.

Draft the BPA and worry about how they fit on the team later, the draft is about adding talent, not reaching for need. There will be alot of people on this board asking for us to reach for a linemen that they think will be ok according to their own board which they have no bias other than some internet website or youtube 'tape' they watched. Never interviewed the prospects, don't know anything about them other than what they read on some website.

Every time I read a post that says what we shouldn't draft it makes me laugh to myself and be glad that the Cowboys won't listen to the recipe for failure (and they used to do this garbage) that the poster wants us to do come draft day.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by CashMan

You don't think drafting in the top 10 the past 2yrs has anything to do with that?

I don't. The NFL draft history of top 10 picks is littered with horrible picks.

[speedkilz88]

They drafted Kyle Wilber in the 4th round last year. He didn't do much as a rookie but he was drafted to be a potential starter and even the Ravens had interest in him. Jerry also mentioned they had high hopes for him at that spot. That's the guy I want starting there.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

They drafted Kyle Wilber in the 4th round last year. He didn't do much as a rookie but he was drafted to be a potential starter and even the Ravens had interest in him. Jerry also mentioned they had high hopes for him at that spot. That's the guy I want starting there.

I share in your hope for Kyle, as really he is the best hope for the spot. With that said, he had plenty of time last year to take hold of playing time and a starting spot with all the injuries and he didn't do it.

Kyle shouldn't be the reason we don't draft a guy for the position if a talented one is available, cause he has proven nothing. We should be in the business of talent acquisition when it comes to the draft cause I would rather have a talent overload than a bunch of reaches to fill needs (of course SLB is a need anyway).

[CashMan]

Originally Posted by TheRomoSexual

Um, no, considering I'm discussing our entire drafts, not just our first rounders.

2011
Tyron Smith---Good rookie year struggled 2nd year with a switch to LT(still think it was a great pick)
Bruce Carter--Hurt 1st year, hurt 2nd half of 2nd year---injury prone
Demarco Murray----Hurt rookie year, but when on field was great, same his 2nd year, injury prone.
David Arkin---Can not make it to the field
Josh Thomas---cut
Dwayne Harris---Not a great rookie, came on strong 2nd half of 2nd year
Chapas---Cut
Nagy----Cut

2012
Claibourne---Not really an elite corner IMO(I liked the pick though)
Crawford---Seemed serviceable, I don't really see a pass rush for him to play end.
Wilber---Got nothing
Johnson---Injury prone
Coale---nothing
Hanna---Seems to be talent there.
McSurdy---Nothing

I think the drafts have been a tad better, but nothing to write home about.

[Woods]

Originally Posted by CashMan

2011
Tyron Smith---Good rookie year struggled 2nd year with a switch to LT(still think it was a great pick)
Bruce Carter--Hurt 1st year, hurt 2nd half of 2nd year---injury prone
Demarco Murray----Hurt rookie year, but when on field was great, same his 2nd year, injury prone.
David Arkin---Can not make it to the field
Josh Thomas---cut
Dwayne Harris---Not a great rookie, came on strong 2nd half of 2nd year
Chapas---Cut
Nagy----Cut

2012
Claibourne---Not really an elite corner IMO(I liked the pick though)
Crawford---Seemed serviceable, I don't really see a pass rush for him to play end.
Wilber---Got nothing
Johnson---Injury prone
Coale---nothing
Hanna---Seems to be talent there.
McSurdy---Nothing

I think the drafts have been a tad better, but nothing to write home about.

I think if you look at many NFL franchises, you typically only get 2-3 solid contributors in any one draft.

In fact, imo, if you end up with 4+ contributors from a single draft class, you're doing very well. And if you can do that consistently for several years, you're doing incredibly well.

As for our last 2 draft classes, I think we can have between 4 to 5 solid contributors from each of the last 2 draft classes.

Unfortunately, we need another couple of very solid draft classes to compensate for some of the poorer previous drafts from a few years ago.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

I share in your hope for Kyle, as really he is the best hope for the spot. With that said, he had plenty of time last year to take hold of playing time and a starting spot with all the injuries and he didn't do it.

Kyle shouldn't be the reason we don't draft a guy for the position if a talented one is available, cause he has proven nothing. We should be in the business of talent acquisition when it comes to the draft cause I would rather have a talent overload than a bunch of reaches to fill needs (of course SLB is a need anyway).

In Kiffin's defense it's just not a position that he needs an impact player at. FS and DT (DE if they lose Spencer) are the positions of need.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Need to add Orie Lemon to the mix at 6-1 242 he is the right size and showed pretty good coverage skills.

He was a better fit in the 3-4 scheme. Speed is his biggest issue.

[TheRomoSexual]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

In Kiffin's defense it's just not a position that he needs an impact player at. FS and DT (DE if they lose Spencer) are the positions of need.

Your point? We're talking about a third rounder, not a first.

[jobberone]

I don't see the draft and BPA/position of need as being a black and white issue. While you rank players numerically top to bottom you can also put them into tiers. Nothing wrong with drafting a player at a position of need if they are in the same tier as your other options.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by xwalker

He was a better fit in the 3-4 scheme. Speed is his biggest issue.

Lack of speed will always be an issue in any scheme.

3-4 alignments will send 4 rushers in a base look leaving 3 line backers to cover the middle zones of the field.

4-3 alignments are the same way.

I know we get caught up in specifics of players in both schemes but speed is still an attribute everyone covets in the NFL.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by TheRomoSexual

Your point? We're talking about a third rounder, not a first.

I don't think he's even had a third rounder at that spot and we do have some guys who can fill that spot. One being a recent 4th rounder and another that was a 1st rounder in Sims. That 3rd could be used on an OL or S that could be a much bigger help to the team.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by jobberone

I don't see the draft and BPA/position of need as being a black and white issue. While you rank players numerically top to bottom you can also put them into tiers. Nothing wrong with drafting a player at a position of need if they are in the same tier as your other options.

On Broaddus' 1st or 2nd Draft Show, he interviewed Tom Ciskowski and he said that the Cowboys like to follow the BPA approach.

However, he also said if there are two players that are graded closely together they would take the position of need even if that meant that the player wasn't the highest graded of the two. He also added that they will shy away from prospects that are graded too far apart...in other words if the two players are 1-3 slots away from each other as far grades they will take position of need. If they are like 5-10 slots away from each other they will take BPA because they don't want to reach.

[TheRomoSexual]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

I don't think he's even had a third rounder at that spot and we do have some guys who can fill that spot. One being a recent 4th rounder and another that was a 1st rounder in Sims. That 3rd could be used on an OL or S that could be a much bigger help to the team.

As I said earlier, I'd bet Wilbur is Ware's backup at DE. I also doubt Sims is ever more than a rotational guy. Spending a third rounder for a starter quality SOLB is great value, regardless of the scheme.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by TheRomoSexual

As I said earlier, I'd bet Wilbur is Ware's backup at DE. I also doubt Sims is ever more than a rotational guy. Spending a third rounder for a starter quality SOLB is great value, regardless of the scheme.

Jerry gets everything from his coaches, he has said they have Wilber at SOLB. Now on third downs he could put his hand down and rush.