NFL analyst: 'Jason Garrett is in a fight to retain control in the locker room'

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by dargonking999

immediatly turned things around?

oh you mean that 10-6 season where we got bowed out in a humiliating fashion in the playoffs? Then following it up with a 6-10 season, 9-7 season, and another 9-7 season where we got bowed out again by a team with no secondary?

I guess it was mostly Wade Philips show then since the team immediately turned it around in 2007 and we went 13-3? Come on, don't be silly ...

5-11 2002
5-11 2001
5-11 2000

So getting to 10-6 and getting into the playoffs in 2003 is NOT turning it around?

Show me someone else that could have gotten a team to the playoffs with Q as the QB and Hambone as your primary running back. And how many of those starters were even IN the NFL in 3 years let alone playing let alone starting.

2003 might have been the finest coaching year of BP's entire career when you look at what he had to work with.

In 2004 interestingly we still were in contention for a playoff spot until week 12. He had the team in contention for the playoffs up until the last week of 2005 and got in again in 2006.

So yes he did turn it around. BP haters are like Romo haters; no reality at all

[arglebargle]

Parcells, in his later career, couldn't manage much more than three years in one place before burning out. He had his own issues, he was good for a fast turn around, but no sustain. Man, his press conferences were just great though: He had those reporters walking bow legged for days after each one.....

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by dargonking999

immediatly turned things around?

oh you mean that 10-6 season where we got bowed out in a humiliating fashion in the playoffs? Then following it up with a 6-10 season, 9-7 season, and another 9-7 season where we got bowed out again by a team with no secondary?

I guess it was mostly Wade Philips show then since the team immediately turned it around in 2007 and we went 13-3? Come on, don't be silly ...

People for some reason forget we barely had a winning record during Parcells' tenure.

He did do an amazing job during that 2003 (?) season, though, McGyvering us into the playoffs with basically a pocket full of blue and silver lint.

[J-DOG]

Albert Greer..seriously? He is no more informed about the Boys then we are. I follow this guy on twitter and he really reminds me of John Clayton. Which means he repeats the normal perceptions of the local media. And that means he is wrong about 75% of the time.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by J-DOG

Albert Greer..seriously? He is no more informed about the Boys then we are. I follow this guy on twitter and he really reminds me of John Clayton. Which means he repeats the normal perceptions of the local media. And that means he is wrong about 75% of the time.

Breer's one of the best around. I don't agree with him here, but he does his homework, and he understands what he's talking about.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Idgit

People for some reason forget we barely had a winning record during Parcells' tenure.

He did do an amazing job during that 2003 (?) season, though, McGyvering us into the playoffs with basically a pocket full of blue and silver lint.

And we barely have a winning record with Garrett too. Problem is, Parcells started in a much worse situation.

Instead of being handed a QB, a HoF pass rusher and a HoF TE, he went out, found them and developed them. Much more team building on Parcells part. More success with less to work with.

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

It was mostly Parcells' show while he was here. That's why the team immediately turned around.

This isn't difficult to figure out. Less Jerry means more success. That's all you really need to focus on when it comes to head coach hires. How much Jerry will we get with this guy?

And the way it's shaping up, we won't have any success under Jason Garrett. Don't get me wrong I don't dislike JG but Jerry apparently doesn't trust him enough.

I don't expect this team to improve that much from 8-8. We won't see Jason Garrett's full potential here in Dallas. As you know we won't see any change until an experienced HC is hired or Jerry gives up power. Obviously one of the scenarios won't play out. At least not in the near future. (Jerry)

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by junk

And we barely have a winning record with Garrett too. Problem is, Parcells started in a much worse situation.

Instead of being handed a QB, a HoF pass rusher and a HoF TE, he went out, found them and developed them. Much more team building on Parcells part. More success with less to work with.

Oh...I somehow think most of us know what the record under Garrett is.

Re: Parcels, what happened to 'you are what your record says you are' again? It was what it says it was: 34-32 iirc, with 0 playoff victories. Team building? Lol.

We can play the games about strength of schedule, strength of the division, injuries, and the like if we really want to, but the point is the same: we were a middling team under Bill Parcels, too.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by junk

And we barely have a winning record with Garrett too. Problem is, Parcells started in a much worse situation.

Instead of being handed a QB, a HoF pass rusher and a HoF TE, he went out, found them and developed them. Much more team building on Parcells part. More success with less to work with.

trying to bring up facts will get you nowhere with the cult of garrett

in addition to what you said, lets compare the record in the 3 years before each coach took over, as an indicator of how decimated the roster was when parcells took over relative to where the roster was when RJ took over

anyone trying to compare parcells and RJ is completely delusional or an idiot

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Oh...I somehow think most of us know what the record under Garrett is.

Re: Parcels, what happened to 'you are what your record says you are' again? It was what it says it was: 34-32 iirc, with 0 playoff victories. Team building? Lol.

We can play the games about strength of schedule, strength of the division, injuries, and the like if we really want to, but the point is the same: we were a middling team under Bill Parcels, too.

Perhaps, but we were a middling team with a lot less talent. That single point can not be ignored IMO.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by visionary

trying to bring up facts will get you nowhere with the cult of garrett

in addition to what you said, lets compare the record in the 3 years before each coach took over, as an indicator of how decimated the roster was when parcells took over relative to where the roster was when RJ took over

anyone trying to compare parcells and RJ is completely delusional or an idiot

What can I say? Some of us just expect more from the Dallas Cowboys than 500 football for 17 years in a row. I'm not in the business of making excuses for why our record is what it is. 34-32 and zero playoff wins v. 21-19 and no playoff wins. Those are the numbers.

As for the 'Parcels had to do it with no players' argument, Look at the 2006 roster and tell me again why you're happy with the 9-7 we put up that season.

Not every problem an NFL team has is directly related to the head coach. It's his responsibility to fix them all, but not every problem is his fault.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Perhaps, but we were a middling team with a lot less talent. That single point can not be ignored IMO.

I just posted it, but we were pretty middling in 2006, with a lot of talent, too.

There are other factors besides talent. Injuries and the opponents you play, to name a few. Regardless, this team's problem is not a lack of talent. And it's not its head coach. This team's problem is it turns the ball over and doesn't take it away enough.

[J-DOG]

Ok why would anyone think Garrett is trying to gain control of the locker room?
Did this team not play hard for him?
They were in pretty much every game this season with a ton of injuries and a crappy o-line that never had a training camp together. Criticize Garrett all you want about clock management and his play calling but I never got the idea that this team was quitting on him.
And I watched more than just one press conference to form that opinion.

Breer's opinion is ill-informed. He cited no sources or players to say that Garrett was fighting for control of locker room.