Cooper/Warmack

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Not in a Zone Blocking Scheme. It does not matter how much power an OL has if he can't get to the block. Regardless of scheme, Guards have to make blocks in space.

You mean guys like Mo Collins, Frank Middleton and Langston Walker playing under Callahan with the Raiders? Yeah a bunch of svelte ballerinas, those guys.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

You mean guys like Mo Collins, Frank Middleton and Langston Walker playing under Callahan with the Raiders? Yeah a bunch of svelte ballerinas, those guys.

If Fluker can beat Langston Walker's 5.26 forty, I'll retract my statement.

[JerryFan]

Originally Posted by JackWagon

Not flashy enough for JJ Risen ... guards, d lineman ... no way ... Im betting big JJ picks a RB at 18.

I'll take that bet. How about a 25 dollar donation to CowboysZone?

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by visionary

i think we will sign a starter at either OG or DT in FA

we will go for the other position with our first round pick

since impact DTs are likely to cost more in FA than a OG, i am thinking we sign a potential starter at OG, and then go DT in round 1 and OL (OG/OC/OT) in round 2

unless, of course, there is overwhelming value in that round ie if warmack or cooper are on the board and star/richardson/floyd are gone

bottom line is that we can get starters on DL and OL in rounds 1 and 2 this year

JMO

We signed two starting guards last offseason. Just because you sign a guy that starts doesn't mean you've solved the problem. We can't just keep doing the same things over and over, it's time to actually try to solve the position so we can focus on other things.

Aren't you guys tired of having the same position needs every offseason?

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

You mean guys like Mo Collins, Frank Middleton and Langston Walker playing under Callahan with the Raiders? Yeah a bunch of svelte ballerinas, those guys.

If Fluker can beat Langston Walker's 5.26 forty, I'll retract my statement.

40 times are irrelevant for OL. When will you ever see a tackle or guard run straight ahead for 40 yards coming out of a sprinters stance, running unimpeded?

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

40 times are irrelevant for OL. When will you ever see a tackle or guard run straight ahead for 40 yards coming out of a sprinters stance, running unimpeded?

Sorry, but that response is tiresome.

The forty is like identifying a car by it's color. It is a general indicator. If you want more detail you look at other measureables like the 10-yard, 3-cone, short shuttle, vert, broad-jump, etc.. With a car you would look at the model, year etc. Just because the color of the car does not give as much detail as the model/year etc.., it does not make it an unusable indicator.

The forty time is a general indicator of the quickness needed to play. In OLinemen, the exact number is not as important as it is with other positions. A 5.1 vs 5.2 is not a big deal; however, a 4.9 vs 5.5 is significant. Olinemen that play with quickness don't run 5.5 forties and Olinemen that play with lead feet don't run 4.9 forties.

I could say that I doubt that Fluker can beat any of Walker's measureables. It could be 10-yard, 3-cone, short shuttle, vert, broad-jump, etc..

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Sorry, but that response is tiresome.

And completely true.

I take it you've never actually played football?

[burmafrd]

the 10 yard time for a OL is much more important then the 40

[visionary]

Originally Posted by TheCount

We signed two starting guards last offseason. Just because you sign a guy that starts doesn't mean you've solved the problem. We can't just keep doing the same things over and over, it's time to actually try to solve the position so we can focus on other things.

Aren't you guys tired of having the same position needs every offseason?

i know you dont think either of those 2 were really starters

i mean, sign a real OG who will start

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

And completely true.

I take it you've never actually played football?

Another tiresome response.

Actually, I had a scholarship offer from a small college to play football, but took an academic scholarship from a big school instead.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I tend to agree with Rack here. For an OL, 10 and 5 yard times are much more indicative. 3Cone, Shuttle, Broad and High show explosion.

40 for an OL is much less important to me then 5, 10 or 20.

[burmafrd]

Coopers arms are only 33. Costa part deux

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Coopers arms are only 33. Costa part deux

No, 33" is good for an OG or OC. Costa was 30".

Here are some arm lengths from the 2012 draft:
OG 32-1/2 Ben Jones
OG 32-1/2 Josh LeRibeus
OG 32-5/8 Brandon Brooks
OG 32-3/4 David DeCastro
OG 32-3/4 Kevin Zeitler
OC 33 Peter Konz
OG 33 Amini Silatolu
OG 33-1/2 Jeff Allen

OT 33-1/2 Mitchell Schwartz
OT 33-1/4 Riley Reiff
OT 34 Mike Adams
OT 34-1/2 Matt Kalil
OT 34-1/8 Jonathan Martin

[RS12]

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl
Jonathan Cooper (UNC) 35 on the bench.
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So much for the Cooper strength questions.

[Vintage]

Im confused as to how people think two guards are going in the top 17... Even though the most bestestist guard prospect ever went 24th last year.