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Old 03-02-2013   #1
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Default “If you’re going to have a guy…that can handle a porous offensive line, it’s Tony,”

“Tony has some of the best percentages operating behind pressure situation of anyone in the NFL. If there were a place theoretically that you had to have a weakness with Tony Romo at quarterback, that might be a place to have it. You just can’t’ have it all.” - Jerry Jones.

While Jerry may be right about Tony's ability to scramble away from pressure, I think he is forgetting about our RBs opinions...

What about Murray? I wish someone would ask him about how and where he thinks the team should upgrade.

Romo still had success through the air this year, but does anyone else agree Tony would have more success with just a DECENT run game for once?

BTW that quote comes from, Rainer Sabin / Reporter

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old, but whatever....still would love to give Romo at least above average protection
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How much time does Romo really need? If the patterns were based on a three step drop to get the ball out to Dez, Miles, etc who are insane YAC specimen, then the probablility is reduced of chaos with the line. From the Combine, a good WR can run 20 yards in 2.62 seconds. I understand that its not a pure path and that there are pressing and moving obstacles in the 20 yard path, but the play design should negate that variable by the element of surprise and also by designing decoy and pick (legal ones like Gilbride uses for his WR screens). So, raise 20 yards to 3 seconds for standard measures of error in any operation because design and application are always incongruent, and then use any pattern with a run distance of less than 20 yards, and the result should be that Romo does not need much time. Unless the plays themselves...
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old, but whatever....still would love to give Romo at least above average protection
This.

Feel sorry for Tony. Would like to see how good he can really be with adequate, consistent protection. The guy has been beat up bad and running for his life quite often.......just about his entire career.


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Jerry is just deflecting criticism about his poor performance at putting together an OL. He acts as though it were intentional that the OL is poor. Like we have put a bunch of UDFA and vet min guys out there so we can invest elsewhere. That isn`t even remotely true with a top 10 pick and another guy with a top 10 salary guy on the line. The only true bargain basement player was Costa still playing on a rookie UDFA type deal. Bernardeau and Livings were mid-tier FAs that were picked because of all the draft pick failures of the recent past (Marten and Brewster were 3rd round picks that never saw the field for us - you should get an average OG starter in the 3rd round).

Now I agree that Tony handles pressure well but the OL is actually in average in pass blocking so that isn`t where it fails us. It is close to incapable of getting a 3rd and 1 or producing a rushing TD inside the 5. That is where they really kill us and Tony`s scrambling ability doesn`t do us much good in those situations.

Jerry needs to use his resources better. No more Free, Ratliff, Austin and Oscan disaster contracts. He has to do a better job of re-signing young guys earlier to reasonable extensions and letting old guys walk or trade them while they still have trade value.

I will give him credit in that his first 3 rounds have been stellar since the 2009 disaster draft.
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The "you just can't have it all" attitude is not surprising from a GM that is incapable of fielding a playoff team consistently (or even on an inconsistent basis).

Hey Jerry, the "you just can't have it all" excuse works for a position here or a position there, not 80% of your freaking offensive line and 50% of the rest of the team.

Ay caramba,,,
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How much time does Romo really need? If the patterns were based on a three step drop to get the ball out to Dez, Miles, etc who are insane YAC specimen, then the probablility is reduced of chaos with the line. From the Combine, a good WR can run 20 yards in 2.62 seconds. I understand that its not a pure path and that there are pressing and moving obstacles in the 20 yard path, but the play design should negate that variable by the element of surprise and also by designing decoy and pick (legal ones like Gilbride uses for his WR screens). So, raise 20 yards to 3 seconds for standard measures of error in any operation because design and application are always incongruent, and then use any pattern with a run distance of less than 20 yards, and the result should be that Romo does not need much time. Unless the plays themselves...
You obviously don't fully grasp the genius of our OC! In his delusional world, our OL is consistently capable of giving Romo 4+ seconds of clean pocket to find receivers running 20+ yard slow developing patterns. And as for three step drops, picks or other simple things which could help like stacked or bunched receivers, Garrett has no idea what you are talking about.

Seriously, when was the last time you saw the cowboys run a play where the receivers were all bunched at the snap and then exploded out into their patterns (with or without picks involved) to confuse the defense. That is a staple of the passing offenses of GB, NE, Atlanta and many other clubs. If you watch their games, they run bunched receivers 6-8 times per game, or more, usually with picks involved to free up good YAC receivers on short quick routes that can turn into long gainers.

As for picks, the very few occasions I remember Dallas using them (off the top of my head), the receiver setting the pick would often make it so blatant that he would be called for the pick. This seems to indicate a lack of work on this type of play in practice.

But we obviously dont need to use these types of tricks to get the ball out of Tony's hand quickly since he is so good at avoiding the rush behind a "porous offensive line" as our masterful GM stated recently.

God help Tony Romo make it through alive in 2013 with Jerry assembling the OL talent and RHG calling the plays. After all, you don't seriously expect a genius to give up playcalling to some non-genius do you?


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An old quote that's missing the rest of the conversation where he was talking about drafting weapons/blockers or free agents weapons/blockers and also mentioned what Romo preferred. A lot of it was Jerry defending their past decisions not giving indication of what they were doing this year.

The media twists and contorts everything Jerry says and some of you guys just lap it up regardless of the truth.
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Smokescreen. Warmack/Cooper welcome to Dallas!
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old, but whatever....still would love to give Romo at least above average protection
he'll still break your heart.
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The "you just can't have it all" attitude is not surprising from a GM that is incapable of fielding a playoff team consistently (or even on an inconsistent basis).

Hey Jerry, the "you just can't have it all" excuse works for a position here or a position there, not 80% of your freaking offensive line and 50% of the rest of the team.

Ay caramba,,,
You can't have it all.....as he pushes a shopping cart full of cornerbacks, with Stephen standing up on the end of it.

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You can't have it all.....as he pushes a shopping cart full of cornerbacks, with Stephen standing up on the end of it.


Ok that was funny
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This is Jerry just rationalizing his horrible attempt at putting a real OL together. He's a salesman at heart.
1. Brandon Magee will beat out Ernie Sims for the backup WILL/MO roster spot.

2. Ron Leary will start at right guard over Bernadeau.

3. Joseph Randle, Terrance Williams and Gavin Escobar will have more combined TD's than DeMarco Murray, Miles Austin and Jason Witten.

4. Bruce Carter makes the Pro Bowl.

5. The starting OL will be Smith-Livings-Frederick-Leary-Free
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Ok that was funny
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Smokescreen. Warmack/Cooper welcome to Dallas!
Yep!! I agree, the FO knows our oline needs to get better. Fans always taking JJ's word as gospel. It's draft time, no need to show your hand.
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