Chavez loses constitutional vote

[BrAinPaiNt]

Good News...for a change.

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By FRANK BAJAK, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 39 minutes ago

CARACAS, Venezuela - Humbled by his first electoral defeat ever, President Hugo Chavez said Monday he may have been too ambitious in asking voters to let him stand indefinitely for re-election and endorse a huge leap to a socialist state.

"I understand and accept that the proposal I made was quite profound and intense," he said after voters narrowly rejected the sweeping constitutional reforms by 51 percent to 49 percent.

Opposition activists were ecstatic as the results were announced shortly after midnight — with 88 percent of the vote counted, the trend was declared irreversible by elections council chief Tibisay Lucena.

Some shed tears. Others began chanting: "And now he's going away!"

Without the overhaul, Chavez will be barred from running again in 2012.

Foes of the reform effort — including Roman Catholic leaders, media freedom groups, human rights groups and prominent business leaders — said it would have granted Chavez unchecked power and imperiled basic rights.

Chavez told reporters at the presidential palace that the outcome of Sunday's balloting had taught him that "Venezuelan democracy is maturing." His respect for the verdict, he asserted, proves he is a true democratic leader.

"From this moment on, let's be calm," he proposed, asking for no more street violence like the clashes that marred pre-vote protests. "There is no dictatorship here."

The White House took note of Chavez's setback.

"We congratulate the people of Venezuela on their election and their continued desire to live in freedom and democracy," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

U.S. Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns also said it was a victory for the country's citizens who want to prevent Chavez from having unchecked power.

"We felt that this referendum would make Chavez president for life, and that's not ever a welcome development," Burns told reporters in Singapore. "In a country that wants to be a democracy, the people spoke, and the people spoke for democracy and against unlimited power."

Chavez, who was briefly ousted in a failed 2002 coup, blamed the loss on low turnout among the very supporters who re-elected him a year ago with 63 percent of the vote.

Seven in 10 eligible voters cast ballots then. This time it was just 56 percent.

The defeated reform package would have created new types of communal property, let Chavez handpick local leaders under a redrawn political map and suspended civil liberties during extended states of emergency.

Other changes would have shortened the workday from eight hours to six, created a social security fund for millions of informal laborers and promoted communal councils where residents decide how to spend government funds.

Nelly Hernandez, a 37-year-old street vendor, cried as she wandered outside the presidential palace early Monday amid broken beer bottles as government workers took apart a stage mounted earlier for a victory fete.

"It's difficult to accept this, but Chavez has not abandoned us, he'll still be there for us," she said between sobs.

A close ally of Cuba's Fidel Castro, Chavez has redistributed more oil wealth than past Venezuelan leaders, and also has aided Latin American allies — including Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua — that have followed Venezuela's turn to the left.

"He is a man who feels for the people, a man who has suffered, a man who comes from below," Carlos Orlando Vega, a 47-year-old carpenter's assistant, said outside a polling station in a Caracas slum on Sunday.

Vega is among tens of thousands of Venezuelans who, under Chavez, have new government-provided homes.

Chavez urged calm and restraint after his Sunday setback.

"I wouldn't have wanted that Pyrrhic victory," he said, suggesting a small margin wouldn't have been enough of a mandate.

Tensions surged in the weeks ahead of Sunday's vote, with university students leading protests and occasionally clashing with police and Chavista groups.

Chavez had warned opponents against inciting violence before the vote, and threatened to cut off oil exports to the United States if the Bush administration interfered.

Chavez, 53, also suffered some high-profile defections by political allies, including former defense minister Gen. Raul Baduel.

Early Monday, Baduel reminded fellow Venezuelans that Chavez still wields special decree powers thanks to a pliant National Assembly packed with his supporters.

"These results can't be recognized as a victory," Baduel told reporters,

Baduel, who as defense minister helped Chavez turn back the 2002 putsch, said Venezuela can only be properly united by convening a popularly elected assembly to rewrite its constitution.

Chavez has progressively steamrolled a fractured opposition since he was first elected in 1998, and his allies now control most elected posts.

At opposition headquarters in an affluent east Caracas district, jubilant Chavez foes sang the national anthem.

"This reform was about democracy or totalitarian socialism, and democracy won," said opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez said.

"At least now we have the guarantee that Chavez will leave power," said Valeria Aguirre, a 22-year-old student who had braved tear gas during street protests.

Lucena, the electoral agency chief, called the vote "the calmest we've had in the last 10 years."

All was reported calm during Sunday's voting but 45 people were detained, most for committing ballot-related crimes like "destroying electoral materials," said Gen. Gonzalez, chief of a military command overseeing security.

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[Rackat]

I'm shocked that it didn't "pass".

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by Rackat

I'm shocked that it didn't "pass".

Same here. Figured it would pass, even though it really didn't pass.

[jterrell]

That is very good news indeed.

This idiot was going to make himself dictator.
He has started the decline and now he'll see himself toppled in authority if not fact.

He lost a lot of his former political base with those insane ideas.

He actually did a lot of good early on but any one person with too much power has a great chance of going bonkers....

...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[trickblue]

I still don't think we've heard the last of this...

He'll try another election or he will just take over by force in 2012...

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by trickblue

I still don't think we've heard the last of this...

He'll try another election or he will just take over by force in 2012...

yea, sadly a guy can be completely normal then go nuts but a guy seldom goes nuts then remains completely sane.

crack just doesn't unsmoke itself.

chavez has to be careful now as he knows he can lose but trying to force through all of those amendments at once was stunningly stupid.

i expect him to work to extend term limits to 7 years from 6 very soon. then he'll later try to grant (himself)a 3rd term. that would buy him until 2020.

his anti-us rhetoric was a huge backfire ironically. not everyone is the middle east.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by trickblue

I still don't think we've heard the last of this...

He'll try another election or he will just take over by force in 2012...

Maybe I read it wrong but it seems there was something in place with this vote that it could not be overturned in the future.

However that would go out the window if there was some kind of hostile takeover of government I would guess.

And with this little sawed off runt's ego, I could see that happening.

[Eric_Boyer]

Somewhere, the surviving families of FDR have gathered together in celebration to share a bottle of champaign.

[burmafrd]

SO, Jterrel, what do you say to all your hollywood liberal friends like Penn and company who have tried to turn Chavez into a hero?

[cachetazo]

Originally Posted by Rackat

I'm shocked that it didn't "pass".

Why would you? That's call democracy.

You didn't bite into all that "dictator" bull****, do you?

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

SO, Jterrel, what do you say to all your hollywood liberal friends like Penn and company who have tried to turn Chavez into a hero?

I'd say beware false prophets.

As I mentioned earlier, Chavez did a really good job early on. He built up loyalty and provided a lot of basic human rights that had been neglected.

But these movers were purely designed to make himself supreme ruler of all and that is a no-no period.

Glad they saw it for it is and voted him down.

[cachetazo]

Has anyone of you readed all 36 parts of the proyect?

Or did you just bite on the US media bs?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by cachetazo

Has anyone of you readed all 36 parts of the proyect?

Or did you just bite on the US media bs?

I don't care if it says they will give every kid a lollipop and every person a brand new car every year for the rest of their lives.

Anytime someone wants to make a change so they can become supreme leader with no term limits...it is not a good thing for a democracy.

I would flat out flip if a US president tried to do that...even If I liked the President. They changed it for a good reason in the US.

Too Much power is not good for anyone one man to have on a permanent basis IMO.

Oh and that is not US Media bias/bs...It is MY OPINION.

The guy is a little power mad, paranoid, nutbag who would love to get total power over the long haul, and something tells me that this is just a ro ...for now.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by cachetazo

Has anyone of you readed all 36 parts of the proyect?

Or did you just bite on the US media bs?

I did hear all the versions of the Spanish president blasting him, but only read the highlights including quotes of his colleagues about his constitutional amendments.

[trickblue]

Originally Posted by jterrell

I did hear all the versions of the Spanish president blasting him, but only read the highlights including quotes of his colleagues about his constitutional amendments.

So give us some meaningful translation...