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The Curly One · 10-20-2004

I thought it was a mistake to get Eddie George over Troy Hambrick.. still do.
Mistake not to dump Larry Allen off for anything or just cut his useless butt.
I think that trading Antonio Bryant is a mistake and I do not think that Vinny is a better Qb for us than Quincy was. I think our win / loss record will prove it.
One step forward and two steps back.
I understand the concerns about attitude with AB & Troy Hambrick and drugs with Quincy but we have to put the best players possible on the field every Sunday or you will lose. Curly

**ABQCOWBOY** · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by The Curly One

I thought it was a mistake to get Eddie George over Troy Hambrick.. still do.
Mistake not to dump Larry Allen off for anything or just cut his useless butt.
I think that trading Antonio Bryant is a mistake and I do not think that Vinny is a better Qb for us than Quincy was. I think our win / loss record will prove it.
One step forward and two steps back.
I understand the concerns about attitude with AB & Troy Hambrick and drugs with Quincy but we have to put the best players possible on the field every Sunday or you will lose. Curly

In America, everybody is intitled to there own oppinions.

Aint it grand?

SuspectCorner · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by The Curly One

I thought it was a mistake to get Eddie George over Troy Hambrick.. still do.
Mistake not to dump Larry Allen off for anything or just cut his useless butt.
I think that trading Antonio Bryant is a mistake and I do not think that Vinny is a better Qb for us than Quincy was. I think our win / loss record will prove it.
One step forward and two steps back.
I understand the concerns about attitude with AB & Troy Hambrick and drugs with Quincy but we have to put the best players possible on the field every Sunday or you will lose. Curly

rafael furcal of the atlanta braves. as he left the field after braves' game 5 loss to the astros i was thinking "go to jail. go DIRECTLY to jail. do not pass GO. do not collect $200 dollars." teams that desire to win TRY to field the best players. witness the NY yankees.

Portland Fanatic · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by The Curly One

I thought it was a mistake to get Eddie George over Troy Hambrick.. still do.
Mistake not to dump Larry Allen off for anything or just cut his useless butt.
I think that trading Antonio Bryant is a mistake and I do not think that Vinny is a better Qb for us than Quincy was. I think our win / loss record will prove it.
One step forward and two steps back.
I understand the concerns about attitude with AB & Troy Hambrick and drugs with Quincy but we have to put the best players possible on the field every Sunday or you will lose. Curly

Tham....funny...don't miss the punk...EG...should NOT be our starting RB. Lee should be untill JJ can play.

I'm glad we kept LA...he still has it.

Quinthy....he was not our future...but then again neither is Vinnie...I'm calling for Henson NOW.

I hated losing AB...then I again I was one yelling when he threw the jersey in BP's face to trade his arse...so why am I upset? Still trying to figure that out. Hoping Morgan does a good job.

I'm not very happy about the personell moves we've made over the last year...There are some pretty good players this year in the draft and we will be in a position to get at least two...maybe three if a stud falls to the middle 2nd. If we don't get cheap in FA this off-season and go get players like Shaun Rogers DT & John Abraham DE....I can forgive this past season. We better make some good moves though...very frustrated....

mute_city · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by The Curly One

I thought it was a mistake to get Eddie George over Troy Hambrick.. still do.
Mistake not to dump Larry Allen off for anything or just cut his useless butt.
I think that trading Antonio Bryant is a mistake and I do not think that Vinny is a better Qb for us than Quincy was. I think our win / loss record will prove it.
One step forward and two steps back.
I understand the concerns about attitude with AB & Troy Hambrick and drugs with Quincy but we have to put the best players possible on the field every Sunday or you will lose. Curly

QC < Vinny
Troy < Eddie (even in an off year)
LA > cut (aren't many great OL in the league anyway.)
AB < Quincy Morgan (maybe he'll run his routes)

AtlCB · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by The Curly One

I thought it was a mistake to get Eddie George over Troy Hambrick.. still do.
Mistake not to dump Larry Allen off for anything or just cut his useless butt.
I think that trading Antonio Bryant is a mistake and I do not think that Vinny is a better Qb for us than Quincy was. I think our win / loss record will prove it.
One step forward and two steps back.
I understand the concerns about attitude with AB & Troy Hambrick and drugs with Quincy but we have to put the best players possible on the field every Sunday or you will lose. Curly

Our offense is a lot better this season than last season. This team is losing, because the defense is not playing to the same level they were last season. Also, how can anyone consider Troy Hambrick the best possible player? Did you forget all of the glass blade tackles last season? Larry Allen is also having a good season so far. How is he at fault for our losses? Who, on the current roster and currently on the bench, would do a better job at left guard?

The Curly One · 10-20-2004

But our offense is definatly not as good. Vinny is not as mobile as Quincy was. Larry Allen is one year older and slower and so is Eddie George. I do not care how great the were what ever they had is gone.
Vinny is not as bad as I had originally thought but he still is not an improvement over Quincy for sure. Vinny is more accurate and smarter (not hard to beat) than Quincy. Not only is Vinny not as good, what will we do for a quarterback next year or the year after? While Quincy may continue to improve (maybe not as fast as we like) Vinny will not. Vinny's years in the league are numbered. Do not get me wrong I do not think that Quincy will be the next Joe Montana but at this point in their careers Quincy is better and is still young.
I think trading away Antonio Bryant will come back to haunt us. This is another step in the wrong direction.
Just like everyone here was trying to tell me how much better Eddie Georges 3.1 yards last year is better than Hambricks 3.9 last year I just do not understand the fuzzy math. Tell me how much better Eddie George is now. Someone explain that to me. Troy Hambrick was an excellent blocker in the backfield to slow down Larry's missed blocks and he averaged more yards per carry than Eddie George has.
Larry Allen makes one block and John Madden brags about him for 20 minutes but never says anything about the people he let run right past him on the next 3 plays. Flozell has been helping quite a bit and is playing very good. The ones that did not walk past LA were usually helped by Flozell.
I said after we got rid of Quincy, Hambrick and still have the open hole on the offensive line with LA that we would be lucky to win 8 games this year. They have not proven me wrong yet.
I honestly do not know what to think about the defense. I would not have ranked them in the top 10 last year because they never pressured the Qb causing turnovers. This year they are worse.
Curly

Mike 1967 · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by The Curly One

But our offense is definatly not as good. Vinny is not as mobile as Quincy was. Larry Allen is one year older and slower and so is Eddie George. I do not care how great the were what ever they had is gone.
Vinny is not as bad as I had originally thought but he still is not an improvement over Quincy for sure. Vinny is more accurate and smarter (not hard to beat) than Quincy. Not only is Vinny not as good, what will we do for a quarterback next year or the year after? While Quincy may continue to improve (maybe not as fast as we like) Vinny will not. Vinny's years in the league are numbered. Do not get me wrong I do not think that Quincy will be the next Joe Montana but at this point in their careers Quincy is better and is still young.
I think trading away Antonio Bryant will come back to haunt us. This is another step in the wrong direction.
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Your Perception and Reality are on two opposite fields.

Last year our defense was rated #1. At this point it is rated 15

Last year our offense was rated 15. At this point it is rated at 11

I will take the stats over your opinion.

DLK150 · 10-20-2004

If you remember, Hambrick didn't want to be here without being guaranteed as the feature back. He left Oakland for much the same reason. Before George even got here, there was no way he was going to be guaranteed that spot even with just Lee and Jones as his main competition.

He left of his own volition, or at least initiated his being let go by not showing up for mini camp, I believe it was. Something of that nature.

Nors · 10-20-2004

We were a better team last year at this point, clearly.

DipChit · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by Mike 1967

Last year our defense was rated #1. At this point it is rated 15

Last year our offense was rated 15. At this point it is rated at 11

Those stats dont prove anything for better or worse. We're not playing the same teams at the same time as we did last year.

I'd say we're about the same as last year overall whether our record reflects it or not. On offense TD's are terribly hard to come by and on defense while we can hold down the crappy offenses we cant seem to shut down the better ones.

It's been like that for a lonnnnnnnnng time now.

Skeptic · 10-20-2004

Larry Allen is hardly the genesis for Dallas' problems this year.

In fact, I would say that since I haven't noticed Allen it's probably a good thing.

If you want to look at problems, look at Vinny, Eddie, Coakley and Wiley.

Allen doesn't deserve that.

MrCharlie007 · 10-20-2004

I thought Larry Allen was a pretty good season...hes been great agains the run...George just cant take advantage of it.

everything else I agree with except that Troy Hamdick still sucked too.

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Originally Posted by The Curly One

I thought it was a mistake to get Eddie George over Troy Hambrick.. still do.
Mistake not to dump Larry Allen off for anything or just cut his useless butt.
I think that trading Antonio Bryant is a mistake and I do not think that Vinny is a better Qb for us than Quincy was. I think our win / loss record will prove it.
One step forward and two steps back.
I understand the concerns about attitude with AB & Troy Hambrick and drugs with Quincy but we have to put the best players possible on the field every Sunday or you will lose. Curly

The Curly One · 10-20-2004

I disagree with the way they rank them though. I believe there is more to defense than stopping the run.
I believe that for a defense to really be number one they have to pressure the quarterback, sack the quarterback and cause fumbles and interceptions.
We did not do that last year.
In fact teams that cause turnovers often have their defense score on interceptions or fumbles. Those are things that rarely happen with this defense.
The only time the cowboys ever pressure the qb is on a blitz. In my opinion that is hardly a dominating defense and I do not care how you rank them. Curly

mute_city · 10-20-2004

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Originally Posted by Skeptic

Larry Allen is hardly the genesis for Dallas' problems this year.

In fact, I would say that since I haven't noticed Allen it's probably a good thing.

If you want to look at problems, look at Vinny, Eddie, Coakley and Wiley.

Allen doesn't deserve that.

Besides one glaring missed block in the NYG game, Allen has had a seemingly solid year. Really, Vinny hasn't been that bad and I am not sure why people are ragging on Dex. Wiley presents an interesting conundrum, though. Does Ellis's monster year have anything to do with Wiley prowling around over on his end? Or is it all Ellis? I haven't watched enough of the DL to know, but I think it's weird that all of a sudden Ellis is all over the place. Eddie George, as much as I like the guy as a person, he's the wrong back at the wrong place at the wrong time.