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12-28-2007
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Impeach Cheney now
Impeach Cheney now
The allegations that he abused power are credible.
U.S. Reps. Robert Wexler (D., Fla.), Luis Gutierrez (D., Ill.) and Tammy Baldwin (D., Wis.)
are members of the Judiciary Committee
Last month, the House of Representatives voted to send a resolution of impeachment of Vice President Cheney to the Judiciary Committee. As members of the House Judiciary Committee, we strongly believe these important hearings should begin.
The issues at hand are too serious to ignore, including credible allegations of abuse of power that, if proven, may well constitute high crimes and misdemeanors under the Constitution. The allegations against Cheney relate to his deceptive actions leading up to the Iraq war, the revelation of the identity of a covert agent for political retaliation, and the illegal wiretapping of American citizens.
Now that former White House press secretary Scott McClellan has indicated that the vice president and his staff purposely gave him false information about the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson as a covert agent to report to the American people, it is even more important for Congress to investigate what may have been an intentional obstruction of justice. Congress should call McClellan to testify about what he described as being asked to "unknowingly [pass] along false information." In addition, recent revelations have shown that the administration, including the vice president, may have again manipulated and exaggerated evidence about weapons of mass destruction - this time about Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Some of us were in Congress during the impeachment hearings of President Bill Clinton. We spent a year and a half listening to testimony about Clinton's personal relations. This must not be the model for impeachment inquiries. A Democratic Congress can show that it takes its constitutional authority seriously and hold a sober investigation, which will stand in stark contrast to the kangaroo court convened by Republicans for Clinton. In fact, the worst legacy of the Clinton impeachment - where the GOP pursued trumped-up and insignificant allegations - would be if it discourages future Congresses from examining credible and significant allegations of a constitutional nature when they arise.
The charges against Cheney are not personal. They go to the core of the actions of this administration, and deserve consideration in a way the Clinton scandal never did. The American people understand this, and a majority supports hearings, according to a Nov. 13 poll by the American Research Group. In fact, 70 percent of voters say the vice president has abused his powers, and 43 percent say he should be removed from office right now. The American people understand the magnitude of what has been done and what is at stake if we fail to act. It is time for Congress to catch up.
Some people argue that the Judiciary Committee cannot proceed with impeachment hearings because it would distract Congress from passing important legislative initiatives. We disagree. First, hearings need not tie up Congress for a year and shut down the nation. Second, hearings will not prevent Congress from completing its other business. These hearings involve the possible impeachment of the vice president - not of our commander in chief - and the resulting impact on the nation's business and attention would be significantly less than the Clinton presidential impeachment hearings. Also, even though President Bush has thwarted moderate Democratic policies that are supported by a vast majority of Americans - including children's health care, stem-cell research, and bringing our troops home from Iraq - the Democratic Congress has already managed to deliver a minimum-wage increase, an energy bill to address the climate crisis and bring us closer to energy independence, assistance for college tuition, and other legislative successes. We can continue to deliver on more of our agenda in the coming year while simultaneously fulfilling our constitutional duty by investigating and publicly revealing whether Cheney has committed high crimes and misdemeanors.
Holding hearings would put the evidence on the table, and the evidence - not politics - should determine the outcome. Even if the hearings do not lead to removal from office, putting these grievous abuses on the record is important for the sake of history. For an administration that has consistently skirted the Constitution and asserted that it is above the law, it is imperative for Congress to make clear that we do not accept this dangerous precedent. Our Founding Fathers provided Congress the power of impeachment for just this reason, and we must now at least consider using it.
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12-28-2007
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did i land in extremist liberal hell lately?
iceberg
i can’t make a mind see what a heart looks past in hope
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12-28-2007
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Dark Days
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iceberg
did i land in extremist liberal hell lately?
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Maybe...but I would be all for getting rid of many members of this admin. They are pathetic.
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12-28-2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt
Maybe...but I would be all for getting rid of many members of this admin. They are pathetic.
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it'll happen soon enough.
iceberg
i can’t make a mind see what a heart looks past in hope
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12-28-2007
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Penguinite
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iceberg
it'll happen soon enough.
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Only if 8 years too late is soon enough

But I still don't know what any team saw Thursday night that would have made them comfortable with waiting a round or two for the offensive lineman they wanted. ---Todd McShay
We just converted half our LB to DL. We have a 30m starting DL, it better be pretty friggin good.
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12-28-2007
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Winter is Coming
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iceberg
did i land in extremist liberal hell lately?
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I think someone got this for Christmas this year:

Central Loudoun (Virginia) Cowboys
2011 Champions!
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12-28-2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jterrell
Only if 8 years too late is soon enough

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please God, if you truly have mercy and are caring about people, don't take away bush to only give us clinton...
is this where i giggle a lot now?
iceberg
i can’t make a mind see what a heart looks past in hope
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12-28-2007
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Mr. Buckeye
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Don't stop at Cheney...Bush deserves to be impeached as well.
Unfortunately even if we could impeach Bush and Cheney it would take too long to do it and they would be out of office before it happened.
Oh well...wishful thinking. 
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12-28-2007
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Mr. Buckeye
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iceberg
it'll happen soon enough.
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Over a year is not soon enough.
He can do all kinds of damage in a year.
Unfortunately he will get his one more year.
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12-28-2007
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Mr. Buckeye
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jterrell
Only if 8 years too late is soon enough
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12-28-2007
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Dark Days
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iceberg
please God, if you truly have mercy and are caring about people, don't take away bush to only give us clinton...
is this where i giggle a lot now?
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No giggling with another of the same old same old politics with Hillary.
Hmm...Pappa Bush, Bill x 2, W x2 and now another clinton.
When will America Wake up.
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12-28-2007
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Yeah the Democrats, are the answer
I think not, is it Hillary, because of her experience, she's falling and my not be able to get back up, or is Obama, because of the lack of it, what exactly does he stand for again?
No the answer to all of our problems is John Edwards, now there is someone we can all trust.
Don't throw stones in a glass house is all I can tell you.
The Clinton's and corruption, now theirs a possibility, that they may go hand in hand.
Democratic Leadership
Harry Reid
Nancy Pelosi
Howard Dean
the list goes on true leadership at it's best
Move on . org
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12-28-2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt
No giggling with another of the same old same old politics with Hillary.
Hmm...Pappa Bush, Bill x 2, W x2 and now another clinton.
When will America Wake up.
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well rest assured i'm not defending bush - but hillary does scare me ka-too-kas out of me.
iceberg
i can’t make a mind see what a heart looks past in hope
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12-28-2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iceberg
well rest assured i'm not defending bush - but hillary does scare me ka-too-kas out of me.
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amen.......she scares the you know what out of me also
 Hillary Clinton
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12-28-2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny White
I think someone got this for Christmas this year:

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