The real root of the cowboys sucking

[Hiero]

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's. The other year, they desperately need a QB, they have Leftwich a huge practically dream molded QB whos as close to a sure thing as they come, and we pass on him for a 25 year old CB.

Now don't get me wrong, Im a huge Newman fan, but I just dont see how you can pass on a guy like Leftwich who was clearly the real deal, and was basically a perfect QB except for his mobility. The guy is really tall, rocket arm, very smart, winner, he really has it all, and not only was I shocked that we didnt take him, I was shocked that a lot of people seemed to think we didnt need a QB, when all we had to back us up was a joke like hutchinson, and whatever random trash was around.

Back even farther to the now incredibly infamous Randy Moss debacle. Ok we werent the only team who passed on him, but I remember thinking it was a sure thing that if Dallas had a chance to get him, it was gonna be a 1 second wait until his name was called. Everyone thought Dallas wanted him, and somehow inexplicably, we draft some random DE( ellis I think), instead of passing on a WR who at the time looked like not just a superstar, but an elite superstar freak athlete. Ellis turned out to be a solid player, but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

Add to this the likes of ekuban etc. etc. and you can basically see where im going.

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history, with the way the bills are going, but I honestly thought when we traded down, there was no chance of us taking J Jones in the second, I thought he was a for sure 3rd round talent.

The jury is still out on JJ, and so far I think Parcells is actually turning our disgusting past 7-8 drafts or so, around and doing good. But looking back besides Roy Williams, who have we drafted over the past 7-8 years that was actually good. Greg Ellis?? an average DE. anyone else we drafted over that time that is even still around and contributing at all??

We could have Byron Leftwich passing to Randy Moss, along with so many other good players. Of course you'll probably say its easy to say things like this about the past, but we all knew back then these are two guys we shoulda got, then inexplicably(at least imo) passed on for reasons unknown..

I have a feeling that our luck will be turning around bigtime next year, and hopefully by the end of the year JJ will show some signs. I think Parcells really set us up beautifully(along with a little luck) for the future. We could even next year trade down a few spots and get another 2nd 1st rounder next year.

I really think we need to start Henson asap, so we can get a feel for what this kid has. Honestly if he turns out how i think he should, we should have a really bright future, if he turns out to be the next hutch, we have 1 high draft pick along with ours which will be mid to early first round likely, to try and get a real Franchise QB, the kind of guy we passed on in Leftwich.

Next years draft will determine whether or not we go back to the 5-11 days, or whether or not we go back to the glory days. I think its clear that Parcells isnt much of a player in the FA market, and doesnt really wanna spend too much money there, so we're gonna have to it the old fashioned way, relying on the draft to build our team, and get some real superstars, instead of a bunch of random solid guys who clearly aren't getting it done..

anyways end of rant flame on.

[Nors]

Roy and a lot of nothing to show.

Even the Tnew pick is starting to look foggy. I still bet he turns it around.
Lefty as our QB would put us 3 years ahead of the great Henson experiment..................

[Hiero]

Originally Posted by Nors

Roy and a lot of nothing to show.

Even the Tnew pick is starting to look foggy. I still bet he turns it around.
Lefty as our QB would put us 3 years ahead of the great Henson experiment..................

Lefty at qb along with Moss would literally put us on the cusp of championship. the boys if they had these two guys AND the bills pick next year and their own would have to be big favorites to challenge deep into the playoffs, and have great odds to win the championship. Again not to say i dont like Newman, hes clearly got great athleticism, and i really think hes a future all star, but I just dont see how we can pass on a guy like Leftwich, who has it all.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Nors

Roy and a lot of nothing to show.

Even the Tnew pick is starting to look foggy. I still bet he turns it around.
Lefty as our QB would put us 3 years ahead of the great Henson experiment..................

Roy has played poor this year as well. I don't think there is anyway anyone can consider him an impact player at this point.

[DipChit]

Originally Posted by Hiero

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's.

Well to show you how I feel about our drafting/player aquisitions over the last 10 years, I really wouldnt lose any sleep if they cut virtually everyone on the team at the end of the year except for Roy and Witten. Well ok I might keep Julius around and Newman (with the hope they truly develop). Maybe even Keyshawn but more for the entertainment value in being a ticking timebomb as much as anything.

Beyond that? Eh. Could any 4 defensive down linemen you put out there create any *less* pressure on QB's? Maybe it's just me but I aint sensing any Reggie Whites in the lot. Could Dixon at safety (course theres always Lyn Scott, right) and whoever you trot out at RCB this week be any less inspiring? Linebackers? Gimme a break. Our's arent exactly playmakers extraordinare and LB's are pretty much the easiest players to find anyway as far as I'm concerned.

Offense? Vinny, Eddie, Richie, Terry, thanks for stopping by. Larry, thanks for the memories. The Lehr's and Johnson's and Walter's and Tucker's and Vollers even Gourode.. Yawn, whatever. OK, ok maybe Flo should hang around another year. Maybe Dan Campbell too just cuz he's named Dan.

Kickers and KR's? Buh-bye you're nothing at all special.

Any players that back up any of the aforementioned players? Needless to say your services are no longer needed. Oh, Bradie? I dont know.. you might keep your cell phone on just in case.

Oh, the kid named Henson? Fiiiiiine, I'll make one roster exemption for him just in case.. happy now?

Then just use your top 2 picks on whatever and then go ink some more of those 2nd and 3rd tier FA's you've always been so fond of Jerry. The bottomline couldnt be much worse than what you've gotten the last number of years. Now that teams have matched up Bills tendencies with the talent he has to work with even he hasnt been able to get this club to .500 ball over the last 16 games.

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by junk

Roy has played poor this year as well. I don't think there is anyway anyone can consider him an impact player at this point.

Are you kidding us? Roy Williams not an impact player?


Your name is certainly living up to your opinion. At least where Roy is concerned. Not an impact player. Get real.

[jimmy40]

Originally Posted by Hiero

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's. The other year, they desperately need a QB, they have Leftwich a huge practically dream molded QB whos as close to a sure thing as they come, and we pass on him for a 25 year old CB.

Now don't get me wrong, Im a huge Newman fan, but I just dont see how you can pass on a guy like Leftwich who was clearly the real deal, and was basically a perfect QB except for his mobility. The guy is really tall, rocket arm, very smart, winner, he really has it all, and not only was I shocked that we didnt take him, I was shocked that a lot of people seemed to think we didnt need a QB, when all we had to back us up was a joke like hutchinson, and whatever random trash was around.

[View Full Quote]Back even farther to the now incredibly infamous Randy Moss debacle. Ok we werent the only team who passed on him, but I remember thinking it was a sure thing that if Dallas had a chance to get him, it was gonna be a 1 second wait until his name was called. Everyone thought Dallas wanted him, and somehow inexplicably, we draft some random DE( ellis I think), instead of passing on a WR who at the time looked like not just a superstar, but an elite superstar freak athlete. Ellis turned out to be a solid player, but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

Add to this the likes of ekuban etc. etc. and you can basically see where im going.

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history, with the way the bills are going, but I honestly thought when we traded down, there was no chance of us taking J Jones in the second, I thought he was a for sure 3rd round talent.

The jury is still out on JJ, and so far I think Parcells is actually turning our disgusting past 7-8 drafts or so, around and doing good. But looking back besides Roy Williams, who have we drafted over the past 7-8 years that was actually good. Greg Ellis?? an average DE. anyone else we drafted over that time that is even still around and contributing at all??

We could have Byron Leftwich passing to Randy Moss, along with so many other good players. Of course you'll probably say its easy to say things like this about the past, but we all knew back then these are two guys we shoulda got, then inexplicably(at least imo) passed on for reasons unknown..

I have a feeling that our luck will be turning around bigtime next year, and hopefully by the end of the year JJ will show some signs. I think Parcells really set us up beautifully(along with a little luck) for the future. We could even next year trade down a few spots and get another 2nd 1st rounder next year.

I really think we need to start Henson asap, so we can get a feel for what this kid has. Honestly if he turns out how i think he should, we should have a really bright future, if he turns out to be the next hutch, we have 1 high draft pick along with ours which will be mid to early first round likely, to try and get a real Franchise QB, the kind of guy we passed on in Leftwich.

Next years draft will determine whether or not we go back to the 5-11 days, or whether or not we go back to the glory days. I think its clear that Parcells isnt much of a player in the FA market, and doesnt really wanna spend too much money there, so we're gonna have to it the old fashioned way, relying on the draft to build our team, and get some real superstars, instead of a bunch of random solid guys who clearly aren't getting it done..

anyways end of rant flame on.

If we would have drafted Moss we wouldn't have been picking high enough to draft Leftwich.

[jimmy40]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Are you kidding us? Roy Williams not an impact player?


Your name is certainly living up to your opinion. At least where Roy is concerned. Not an impact player. Get real.

How is he an impact player besides hitting someone hard every third or fourth game?

[DipChit]

Originally Posted by jimmy40

How is he an impact player besides hitting someone hard every third or fourth game?

Because most all the rest of the defenders only hit someone (particularly QB's) hard every 3rd or 4th year?

[TruBlueCowboy]

Originally Posted by jimmy40

If we would have drafted Moss we wouldn't have been picking high enough to draft Leftwich.

Yep, I truly believe that. I think Aikman might have lasted longer and Emmitt been more productive in his last years as well. Who knows, maybe even Irvin would have avoided his injury after Aikman quickly realized what kind of threat he had going deep every game with Moss.

[Juke99]

Originally Posted by Hiero

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history
.

I'd be careful until you see how we use the pick...you won't be saying that if we trade down to the 23rd slot and pick up two extra six rounders...

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Are you kidding us? Roy Williams not an impact player?


Your name is certainly living up to your opinion. At least where Roy is concerned. Not an impact player. Get real.

That was good Dallas...

Junk is a friend of mine but that was funny!

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Juke99

I'd be careful until you see how we use the pick...you won't be saying that if we trade down to the 23rd slot and pick up two extra six rounders...

But can they play special teams?

[Nors]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

But can they play special teams?

Has there even been a coin flip tiebreaker for the #1 and #2 overall picks?

If we have both picks do we have to actually flip the coin?

[Waffle]

Originally Posted by Hiero

The reason the cowboys are now crappy instead of good is really because they havent had a good draft since the mid 90's. The other year, they desperately need a QB, they have Leftwich a huge practically dream molded QB whos as close to a sure thing as they come, and we pass on him for a 25 year old CB.

Now don't get me wrong, Im a huge Newman fan, but I just dont see how you can pass on a guy like Leftwich who was clearly the real deal, and was basically a perfect QB except for his mobility. The guy is really tall, rocket arm, very smart, winner, he really has it all, and not only was I shocked that we didnt take him, I was shocked that a lot of people seemed to think we didnt need a QB, when all we had to back us up was a joke like hutchinson, and whatever random trash was around.

[View Full Quote]Back even farther to the now incredibly infamous Randy Moss debacle. Ok we werent the only team who passed on him, but I remember thinking it was a sure thing that if Dallas had a chance to get him, it was gonna be a 1 second wait until his name was called. Everyone thought Dallas wanted him, and somehow inexplicably, we draft some random DE( ellis I think), instead of passing on a WR who at the time looked like not just a superstar, but an elite superstar freak athlete. Ellis turned out to be a solid player, but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

Add to this the likes of ekuban etc. etc. and you can basically see where im going.

Move onto this year. I think trading down and getting the bills pick actually turned out to be one of the best moves in dallas drafting history, with the way the bills are going, but I honestly thought when we traded down, there was no chance of us taking J Jones in the second, I thought he was a for sure 3rd round talent.

The jury is still out on JJ, and so far I think Parcells is actually turning our disgusting past 7-8 drafts or so, around and doing good. But looking back besides Roy Williams, who have we drafted over the past 7-8 years that was actually good. Greg Ellis?? an average DE. anyone else we drafted over that time that is even still around and contributing at all??

We could have Byron Leftwich passing to Randy Moss, along with so many other good players. Of course you'll probably say its easy to say things like this about the past, but we all knew back then these are two guys we shoulda got, then inexplicably(at least imo) passed on for reasons unknown..

I have a feeling that our luck will be turning around bigtime next year, and hopefully by the end of the year JJ will show some signs. I think Parcells really set us up beautifully(along with a little luck) for the future. We could even next year trade down a few spots and get another 2nd 1st rounder next year.

I really think we need to start Henson asap, so we can get a feel for what this kid has. Honestly if he turns out how i think he should, we should have a really bright future, if he turns out to be the next hutch, we have 1 high draft pick along with ours which will be mid to early first round likely, to try and get a real Franchise QB, the kind of guy we passed on in Leftwich.

Next years draft will determine whether or not we go back to the 5-11 days, or whether or not we go back to the glory days. I think its clear that Parcells isnt much of a player in the FA market, and doesnt really wanna spend too much money there, so we're gonna have to it the old fashioned way, relying on the draft to build our team, and get some real superstars, instead of a bunch of random solid guys who clearly aren't getting it done..

anyways end of rant flame on.

Yeah, Jerry has been accused of a lot of things, but never a "draft guru."