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Old 02-26-2008   #31
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I threw this out a month ago, and what do you guys think about it now?

1a. DRC
1b. Felix Jones
2. Antoine Cason (for FS)
After Jones showinga at the combine no thanks. ray rice's time was right there with his in the 40 and rice smoked him everywhere else..
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He would be a steal at #28. He is the most polished corner in the draft at this time. Cromartie will not make it too us ay#22.
I wouldn't mind taking Cason at 28 either.
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I threw this out a month ago, and what do you guys think about it now?

1a. DRC
1b. Felix Jones
2. Antoine Cason (for FS)
That would be an A+ draft.

I expect all of those guys are gone by those slots but if they aren't they are great values.

As I just mentioned above I'd definitely be tempted to grab 2 CBs this draft because this class is so deep and they are so valuable.
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That would be an A+ draft.

I expect all of those guys are gone by those slots but if they aren't they are great values.

As I just mentioned above I'd definitely be tempted to grab 2 CBs this draft because this class is so deep and they are so valuable.
somebody like Auburn's Jonathan Wilhite in the later rounds, fast guy, breaks well on the ball, and has experience against top competition
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I threw this out a month ago, and what do you guys think about it now?

1a. DRC
1b. Felix Jones
2. Antoine Cason (for FS)
I think DRC will not last that far, Cason will not fall that far, and Cason will not play FS in the NFL. He's a man coverage corner.
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I hope we trade up and grab McKelvin.
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I'm beginning to wonder if there are really just 31 picks in the first round, because there appears to be about 50 players that I hear everyone is certain will be a first round pick.

Cason is probably not in the top CBs on most teams board, and as such, he will not be going in Round 1.
Just like every year... There are always at least 15 "Top 10" picks and at least 40 "First round" picks.

But on Cason... The "most polished" guy is exactly what we don't need IMO. Because we don't need anyone to start right away, our situation is perfect for a more athletic but less polished player that can be coached and groomed for a while. I'd rather have the guy with the high upside than a guy who is better now but is close to maxed out.
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After Jones showinga at the combine no thanks. ray rice's time was right there with his in the 40 and rice smoked him everywhere else..
I wonder why you say this? Felix Jones was basically top 10 at each drill for RBs.

He had good but not great speed and then showed good explosion and quickness in the other drills.

He had a good showing IMHO.

But even more than that, the combine is a crappy place to rank RBs RB and QB are the hardest two positions to rank based off of raw numbers imho.

Still may well be better value in round 2 in someone like Jamaal Charles.
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Just like every year... There are always at least 15 "Top 10" picks and at least 40 "First round" picks.

But on Cason... The "most polished" guy is exactly what we don't need IMO. Because we don't need anyone to start right away, our situation is perfect for a more athletic but less polished player that can be coached and groomed for a while. I'd rather have the guy with the high upside than a guy who is better now but is close to maxed out.
I'm always for drafting the guy with the least "downside" when drafting high. If you're talking 5th or 6th round, then yeah, you're going to looks for "high potential" guys that have certain questions (e.g., small school, position change, character issues).
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I'm all for taking 2 of these CB's in the 1st three rounds.... Look if they both panned out you wouldn't have to give Tnew the farm. You might let him play this yr and franchise him next yr. I love Tnew, but I'm not sure he's worth 80 to 100 million at 29.

I think it just depends, it's hard do we take the Philly stance of staying competitive and not overpaying for FA's even our own. Do we just sell out and go for it all in the next two yrs and pay a cap death penalty at some point down the road?

I thought our cap was in great shape, but I keep hearing we are cap strapped then I look at Washington and shake my head.

Anyway back to CB's.... We don't play press man to man and we seem to go Zone on passing downs so to me we can't have a pure cover 2 guy, but guys like Cason should work well in our system, we need DB's that will make the QB hesitate, make him think.... anything to lessen his comfort zone.
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Marlin Jackson didn't run well at the combine, but was still drafted in the first round. In fact, the statements about Cason sound almost exactly like the comments about Jackson in that draft.

There will almost certainly be a run on corners before the top 40 picks go by. Corners and pass rushers are a given to go higher than expected in almost every draft.
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i have no problem with Cason in the first.. of course i would prefer him at 28 rather than 22 but if there is a big run on corners early, we may not have a choice.
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But on Cason... The "most polished" guy is exactly what we don't need IMO. Because we don't need anyone to start right away, our situation is perfect for a more athletic but less polished player that can be coached and groomed for a while. I'd rather have the guy with the high upside than a guy who is better now but is close to maxed out.
Didn't that philosophy kill us with Sherman Williams, Derrick Lassic and the other scrubs we picked up because we didn't need running backs to start right away?

If he's starter material, you take him - PERIOD. You're always one injury away from a backup coming in and starting.

Cason appears to have game speed. You don't return kicks if you aren't very fast or shift and quick. I think he'll be fine and hope the Cowboys take him somewhere in the draft.
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Didn't that philosophy kill us with Sherman Williams, Derrick Lassic and the other scrubs we picked up because we didn't need running backs to start right away?
No, those guys just couldn't play.
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