Thoughts on Ray Rice

[masomenos]

Originally Posted by DaBoys4Life

i don't see those 10 carries being to tell us anything

Well, whoever we pickup to be Barber's running mate will likely see an average of around 10 carries per game or less. Those stats were simply showing how Ray Rice fared on his first 10 carries in each game this season. If anything the stats would likely be higher as is commonplace with backup RBs (see: Troy Hambrick). I think it's a legitimate way to evaluate a RB who will only get 10 carries in a game. It doesn't take into account skills like kick returning or receiving, but that's not what it's meant to do, it's simply meant to be demonstrative of a RBs performance on limited carries.

[DaBoys4Life]

Originally Posted by masomenos85

Well, whoever we pickup to be Barber's running mate will likely see an average of around 10 carries per game or less. Those stats were simply showing how Ray Rice fared on his first 10 carries in each game this season. If anything the stats would likely be higher as is commonplace with backup RBs (see: Troy Hambrick). I think it's a legitimate way to evaluate a RB who will only get 10 carries in a game. It doesn't take into account skills like kick returning or receiving, but that's not what it's meant to do, it's simply meant to be demonstrative of a RBs performance on limited carries.

that assume us running the ball at lest 30 times. Barbers averaged i think 12 carries per game although 2 carries don't make a big of a difference i'm not sure how willing we will be to use MB3 and depending on the back we get if he will be the starter. I still say MB3 better of the bench in the second half

[masomenos]

Originally Posted by DaBoys4Life

that assume us running the ball at lest 30 times. Barbers averaged i think 12 carries per game although 2 carries don't make a big of a difference i'm not sure how willing we will be to use MB3 and depending on the back we get if he will be the starter. I still say MB3 better of the bench in the second half

Barber averaged right around 13 carries per game. I based the 10 carries number off of Julius' stats. As a team we averaged 26 carries per game including Romo and Thompson. So you figure, if things stay the same, that the numbers will be pretty similar.

[ThatsmyQB]

Originally Posted by TheCount

Ray Rice is Emmit Smith as much as Chris Johnson is L.T., which is to say not at all.

At least let the kid get into camp before comparing him to one of the best ever.

Please.

that's what people do when talking about prospects, they use a PRO who they think they resemble is all, they're NOT SAYING he'll be the best ever or what not.
All he's saying is that he is comparable to Emmitt in that his straight line speed isn't fast but he hits the hole quick, is a compact back like Emmit, etc.
People do this EVERY YEAR, this guy reminds me of such and such pro player, it doesn't mean they are saying he's gonna be as great of a pro as the player they are comparig him too, just that his characteristics are similar to him is all.

[ThatsmyQB]

I think it's a legitimate way to evaluate a RB who will only get 10 carries in a game

Well then you'd want Felix Jones to be your R.B. because he has shown he's able to bust off LONG RUNS at an alarming rate when getting minimal carries each game!
I'm hoping we get Jones, would like to trade up in round 2 to get him if he's still on the board at pick #49 or so.

He's proven he can be successful as a part time R.B. without needing to get REPS to get going like some backs need AND has proven he can bust off a LONG RUN just about every 10 carries, which is PERFECT for us plus his added return benefits on top of it.
As you can see here his LONG RUNS per short carries each game, seems like the PERFECT change of pace back to bust off a long run CONSISTENTLY while getting about 10-12 carries a game.

FELIX JONES THIS YEAR!

12 Carries 129 Yards 10.8 Avg. LONGEST 44 T.D.'s 1

16 Carries 96 Yards 6.0 Avg. LONGEST 36 T.D.'s 0

12 Carries 133 Yards 11.1 Avg. LONGEST 73 T.D.'s 0

7 Carries 132 Yards 18.9 Avg. LONGEST 71 T.D.'s 2

13 Carries 141 Yards 10.8 Avg. LONGEST 59 T.D.'s 2

6 Carries 42 Yards 7.0 Avg. LONGEST 17 T.D.'s 0

15 Carries 101 Yards 6.7 Avg. LONGEST 38 T.D.'s 2

17 Carries 89 Yards 5.2 Avg. LONGEST 18 T.D.'s 1

13 Carries 166 Yards 12.8 Avg. LONGEST 72 T.D.'s 3

9 Carries 85 Yards 9.4 Avg. LONGEST 31 T.D.'s 0

MAN, look at his YARD PER CARRY for EVERY GAME, this tells me he runs great against EVERY DEFENSE he's faced and is consistent game in and game out.
Now, look at his yards, he seems to have basically gotten over 100 yards EVERY GAME when he's getting MINIMAL Carries EVERY GAME (because of McFadden).

Then look at his LONGEST RUN compared to his ATTEMPTS for that game.
He's only getting MINIMAL TOUCHES EVERY GAME and CONSISTENTLY breaks off a LONG RUN "WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT".

[hendog]

Ray Rice may have run a 4.4 (which he did) at the combine, but I don't think he plays with that speed. I have seen him run down from behind several times. I have never seen Charles run down from behind. Rice is not as fast as Charles in pads carrying a football. Period.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by hendog

Ray Rice may have run a 4.4 (which he did) at the combine, but I don't think he plays with that speed. I have seen him run down from behind several times. I have never seen Charles run down from behind. Rice is not as fast as Charles in pads carrying a football. Period.

He may not be as fast (in terms of long speed only), but he's stronger, has better vision, balance, and has better lateral agility, and will certainly make a better RB.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by ABQcowboyJR

One moment I think that the Cowboys need to draft a third down back with lightening speed to make plays. I then look at the cowboys and their success with running the ball over the past few years. We never had backs that were lightening quick or fast. We had a back with decent speed and good all around skills in JJ.

I look at the draft and see a good complete back in Ray Rice. But he lacks that speed I previously mentioned. I'm of the opinion right now that we should draft Jamaal Charles. Thoughts?

Except for last year, we actually have NOT run the ball well recently. before then, Emmitt was an exception rather than the rule. He was a rare back that had okay speed but great vision, powerful leg drive, and that intangible winning spirit....he also had one of the best O-Lines in history.

Before Emmitt was Tony Dorsett--who had serious wheels.

As for JJ...he is average...period.

On paper, Ray Rice looks better than JJ to me....but there are questions about him as well. Charles is similar to C Johnson. I would be happy to get any of those three in the 2nd round.

Most teams use more than one back these days unless they find a freak that can do it all. Even Adrian Peterson will share the load to some degree fro his whole career. If you can find a guy with great vision, endurance, and speed, who can also catch the ball and occasionally block (though many foramtion flare out the RB these days) you have it.

[DFWJC]

Count
My Post-Combine, Pre-Free Agency, Mock Draft
1a. Leodis McKelvin (CB) / Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie (CB) / Limas Sweed (WR)
1b. James Hardy (WR) / Aqib Talib (CB) / Jeff Otah (OT/G)
2. Chris Johnson (RB) / Jamaal Charles (RB) / Ray Rice (RB)
3. Ahtyba Rubin (DT) / Jordy Nelson (WR) / Cliff Avril (DE/OLB/ILB)
4. Josh Barrett (FS/SS) / Tom Zbikowski (SS,PR) / Donald Thomas (OG)


I like that draft.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by theogt

He may not be as fast (in terms of long speed only), but he's stronger, has better vision, balance, and has better lateral agility, and will certainly make a better RB.

That could all be true, but I would hold off on the last staement of him "surely" making a better RB. Still, I see the reasoning.

It should be interesting looking back at all of these backs in a year or two to see who pans out. Some will be determined by how they are used and what team they go to. There are 7-10 backs that could actually have an impact...and probably another that is under everyones radar (like Willie Parker was coming out).

[tomson75]

Originally Posted by hendog

Ray Rice may have run a 4.4 (which he did) at the combine, but I don't think he plays with that speed. I have seen him run down from behind several times. I have never seen Charles run down from behind. Rice is not as fast as Charles in pads carrying a football. Period.

If this were a track meet Charles would be my #2 pick after Johnson, but this being football, I'll take the better running back. Rice. You've seen Rice run down form behind a few times? Sure, it happens, but if you're going by those popular youtube clips, you'll notice he was caught only after 40-50 yards. I'll take that all day. If you watched Rutgers football at all in the last two years, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

BTW, Rice's 10 and 20 yard splits were faster than Charles'...so unless Charles is planning on averaging 40 yards per...

Vision>>>>>>>>>>>>>top end speed.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Count
My Post-Combine, Pre-Free Agency, Mock Draft
1a. Leodis McKelvin (CB) / Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie (CB) / Limas Sweed (WR)
1b. James Hardy (WR) / Aqib Talib (CB) / Jeff Otah (OT/G)
2. Chris Johnson (RB) / Jamaal Charles (RB) / Ray Rice (RB)
3. Ahtyba Rubin (DT) / Jordy Nelson (WR) / Cliff Avril (DE/OLB/ILB)
4. Josh Barrett (FS/SS) / Tom Zbikowski (SS,PR) / Donald Thomas (OG)


I like that draft.

Thanks. I haven't updated it since the combine though, waiting to see how things shake out.

[btcutter]

Watching Youtube shows that Ray Rice is one who runs through alot of traffic and comes out of piles of tacklers. I love his vision and quick feet. He may not have the "speed" that some are drooling over but I take vision and quick feet over speed anyday. Look at our own back field...Barber>>>Jones>>>Thompson. speed without vision = track star.

[the_h0wey]

The only way I would be happy if we drafted Ray Rice is if we got him in the second & Stewart, and Felix Jones were off the board

[hendog]

Originally Posted by theogt

He may not be as fast (in terms of long speed only), but he's stronger, has better vision, balance, and has better lateral agility, and will certainly make a better RB.

I don't know what you do for a living but you've missed your calling if your not an NFL GM.