Not your ORDINARY MOCK draft

[ThatsmyQB]

Just wanna throw this out, I know we all have our favorite players, some love Cason, some hate him, some like Talib, some hate him, same for CJ, Charles, Felix Jones, etc., etc., etc.!

Seems a lot of drafts SHOCK ME, like when we passed on Shaun Rogers I believe for Quincy Carter among other draft shockers when no one knew we'd be going to a 2 TE. set and drafted Fasano in round 2, or drafted Jason Hatcher and Skyler Green in round 3 and 4 when I didn't have any of them on my radar!

So, I know everyone wants certain players, but what would you guys think if we had a draft no one really expects?
We know we need R.B./W.R./C.B. etc., and could make very reasonable assumptions we'll use the top 3 picks on these positions, but what if we don't?
What would everyone think of this draft!

1st: F.S. Kenny Phillips
1st: W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd D.E. Dre' Moore
3rd G. Roy Sheuning
4th R.B. Chad Simpson
5th C.B. Jonathon Whittle
6th Q.B. Eric Ainge
7th C.B. Jake Ikegwounu

PICK #22 It's NOTHING like ANY of us expected the draft to go, but if the top corners are off the board at #22, and Phillips is our best VALUE, I don't have a problem with it, he could replace Roy Williams if he falters yet again, and if he improves, which I doubt, but if he does, we could then not have to pay Hamlin and let him go.

PICK #28 With Jackson, we get a LEGITIMATE speed burner threat we woudl need opposite T.O. and really open up the middle of the field for Witten and completely bolster our return game and don't mind the pick at all, especially if Sweed and Hardy are gone also which could happen.

2nd round: Moore would be a great addition to our D-line and could challenge Spears for the starting spot from camp, he's 6'-4 305 and ran an insane 4.88 for his size and did 31 Bench presses at 225, seems like the perfect bookend to Canty and the perfect replacement for Spears, he could be what spears should have been!
Felix Jones/CJ/Charles/Rice could possibly all be gone, and if that's the case, I don't mind adding another playmaker to our D-line.

3rd Round: G. Roy Schuening, would be great value at this point, and most of the good corners could be gone, and again, this is simply a VALUE PICK as with Phillips in round 1, and adding a top Guard to protect Romo is never a bad thing.

4th Round: R.B. Chad Simpson- It takes till round 4, but when you got a pro-bowl starter at the position, no need to use a high pick on the backup, but you still need a backup and a compliment and this kid is a BURNER home run threat.

5th round: C.B. Jonathon Whittle, we needed more corners and couldn't wait any longer, most wanted one higher, me included, but we got Phillips and we still have Henry and Newman and don't have the FORCE the pick this year and get a good 3rd corner prospect.

6th round: Eric Ainge I think we need to groom a Q.B., if he's still on the board take him, should go higher though.

7th: Since we didnt' take a C.B. till round 5, and need a top corner definately AFTER the 08' season, we take a flier on Ikegwounu who could turn out to be a top corner after he takes off the year and rehabs and we could get a real steal here ala Canty a few years back!


SO, what would you think if the draft fell like this?
Making some assumptions like I said with the top corners off the board in round 1 and the top R.B.'s we all want off the board in round 2, and not really the key impact C>B. available in round 3, COULD HAPPEN, so I ask, if that's the case, would anyone have a problem with this draft?
I personally woud like it, granted we missed out on a great corner and didn't get a shot at the 2nd round prospect RB.'s that were off the board anyway when we picked in round 2, but all in all, I think we came away with some GREAT AVALUE with these picks that will only help us this year and down the road by getting such great value at most picks.
Thoughts?

[L-O-Jete]

Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

Just wanna throw this out, I know we all have our favorite players, some love Cason, some hate him, some like Talib, some hate him, same for CJ, Charles, Felix Jones, etc., etc., etc.!

Seems a lot of drafts SHOCK ME, like when we passed on Shaun Rogers I believe for Quincy Carter among other draft shockers when no one knew we'd be going to a 2 TE. set and drafted Fasano in round 2, or drafted Jason Hatcher and Skyler Green in round 3 and 4 when I didn't have any of them on my radar!

So, I know everyone wants certain players, but what would you guys think if we had a draft no one really expects?
We know we need R.B./W.R./C.B. etc., and could make very reasonable assumptions we'll use the top 3 picks on these positions, but what if we don't?
What would everyone think of this draft!

1st: F.S. Kenny Phillips
1st: W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd D.E. Dre' Moore
3rd G. Roy Sheuning
[View Full Quote]4th R.B. Chad Simpson
5th C.B. Jonathon Whittle
6th Q.B. Eric Ainge
7th C.B. Jake Ikegwounu

PICK #22 It's NOTHING like ANY of us expected the draft to go, but if the top corners are off the board at #22, and Phillips is our best VALUE, I don't have a problem with it, he could replace Roy Williams if he falters yet again, and if he improves, which I doubt, but if he does, we could then not have to pay Hamlin and let him go.

PICK #28 With Jackson, we get a LEGITIMATE speed burner threat we woudl need opposite T.O. and really open up the middle of the field for Witten and completely bolster our return game and don't mind the pick at all, especially if Sweed and Hardy are gone also which could happen.

2nd round: Moore would be a great addition to our D-line and could challenge Spears for the starting spot from camp, he's 6'-4 305 and ran an insane 4.88 for his size and did 31 Bench presses at 225, seems like the perfect bookend to Canty and the perfect replacement for Spears, he could be what spears should have been!
Felix Jones/CJ/Charles/Rice could possibly all be gone, and if that's the case, I don't mind adding another playmaker to our D-line.

3rd Round: G. Roy Schuening, would be great value at this point, and most of the good corners could be gone, and again, this is simply a VALUE PICK as with Phillips in round 1, and adding a top Guard to protect Romo is never a bad thing.

4th Round: R.B. Chad Simpson- It takes till round 4, but when you got a pro-bowl starter at the position, no need to use a high pick on the backup, but you still need a backup and a compliment and this kid is a BURNER home run threat.

5th round: C.B. Jonathon Whittle, we needed more corners and couldn't wait any longer, most wanted one higher, me included, but we got Phillips and we still have Henry and Newman and don't have the FORCE the pick this year and get a good 3rd corner prospect.

6th round: Eric Ainge I think we need to groom a Q.B., if he's still on the board take him, should go higher though.

7th: Since we didnt' take a C.B. till round 5, and need a top corner definately AFTER the 08' season, we take a flier on Ikegwounu who could turn out to be a top corner after he takes off the year and rehabs and we could get a real steal here ala Canty a few years back!


SO, what would you think if the draft fell like this?
Making some assumptions like I said with the top corners off the board in round 1 and the top R.B.'s we all want off the board in round 2, and not really the key impact C>B. available in round 3, COULD HAPPEN, so I ask, if that's the case, would anyone have a problem with this draft?
I personally woud like it, granted we missed out on a great corner and didn't get a shot at the 2nd round prospect RB.'s that were off the board anyway when we picked in round 2, but all in all, I think we came away with some GREAT AVALUE with these picks that will only help us this year and down the road by getting such great value at most picks.
Thoughts?

IF the top corners are gone trade down, or take one of the second line corners (Porter, Lee, Flowers, King) with the 2nd, we need a 3rd corner

[ThatsmyQB]

Originally Posted by L-O-Jete

IF the top corners are gone trade down, or take one of the second line corners (Porter, Lee, Flowers, King) with the 2nd, we need a 3rd corner

That's NOT what this post was about!
Would you like or dislike this draft if this is what we actually drafted?
Like I said, we all would want King or Flowers, or whoever in round 2 to get a corner, but say Flowers/Lee/Porter/King are all gone by our pick in round 2???
Could happen, they're all rated higher then a very late 2nd rounder, then what?
the point of this was to say IF all the players that we all want in each round were gone when it was our pick, would you have a problem with this draft and who we picked in each round if the players we wanted wewe off the board or would be a massive reach at that point, not just respond with I'd trade down and pick such and such!

[L-O-Jete]

IF the top corners are gone trade down
and no I would not be happy, why would I be happy all the players we wanted were gone????

[ThatsmyQB]

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Originally Posted by L-O-Jete

IF the top corners are gone trade down

And if we CAN'T TRADE DOWN and had to make these picks?

and no I would not be happy, why would I be happy all the players we wanted were gone????

All the players WE as in the FANS wanted are gone, we don't know who the cowboys actually like!
AND once again, the question wasn't would you be UPSET if our players were gone when we picked, it was IF the players that we all like and want in here were gone when we picked, would you have a problem with the guys we DID pick if the guys we wanted were gone, not that you'd be upset we didn't get OUR GUYS, but would you like the picks we made IF the players we wanted were off the board is the question.

So I'll use an example to see if you can follow this time, it's our pick at #22, the top corners are off the board, the top W.R.'s are gone, the R.B.'s left arent' worth the #22 pick, we can't trade down, would you have a problem if in THIS SCENARIO we drafted F.S. Kenny Phillips is what this post is about!

[L-O-Jete]

Originally Posted by L-O-Jete

IF the top corners are gone trade down, or take one of the second line corners (Porter, Lee, Flowers, King) with the 2nd, we need a 3rd corner

[quote=ThatsmyQB;1995127]

And if we CAN'T TRADE DOWN and had to make these picks?




All the players WE as in the FANS wanted are gone, we don't know who the cowboys actually like!
AND once again, the question wasn't would you be UPSET if our players were gone when we picked, it was IF the players that we all like and want in here were gone when we picked, would you have a problem with the guys we DID pick if the guys we wanted were gone, not that you'd be upset we didn't get OUR GUYS, but would you like the picks we made IF the players we wanted were off the board is the question.

So I'll use an example to see if you can follow this time, it's our pick at #22, the top corners are off the board, the top W.R.'s are gone, the R.B.'s left arent' worth the #22 pick, we can't trade down, would you have a problem if in THIS SCENARIO we drafted F.S. Kenny Phillips is what this post is about!

Probably would prefer OL, but I would need a list of available players, I don't think Phillips would be best available, I really consider him 2 or 3 round material. I also would do what Jimmah used to do drafting many at the same position hoping one sticks.

[ThatsmyQB]

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[quote=L-O-Jete;1995137]

Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

Probably would prefer OL,

For the last time, this isnt' a who woudl YOU LIKE post, it's would you like the draft above if the players I mentioned were gone.
That being said, you'd want an O-lineman in round ONE?????????
Why on earth would you want that when we just resigned Flozell and have Columbo/Free/Marten/McQuistan left over for the one other tackle spot???

but I would need a list of available players,

I'm not gonna put up a whole 7 round mock with all the players in each round.

I don't think Phillips would be best available, I really consider him 2 or 3 round material.

3rd round material??? LOL

I also would do what Jimmah used to do drafting many at the same position hoping one sticks.

I don't recall Jimmy ever doing that, even if he did, it was probably because WE HAD THE hERSCHEL PICKS and had so many picks we couldn't NOT draft more than a few at the same position, but like I said, I dont' recall Jimmy ever doing that.

[L-O-Jete]

For the last time, this isnt' a who woudl YOU LIKE post, it's would you like the draft above if the players I mentioned were gone.
That being said, you'd want an O-lineman in round ONE?????????
Why on earth would you want that when we just resigned Flozell and have Columbo/Free/Marten/McQuistan left over for the one other tackle spot???

I've said a bunch of times I wouldn't like it, and tried to explain why since you seem to be enamored with long posts.

I'm not gonna put up a whole 7 round mock with all the players in each round.

Just mentioned the first pick and how can someone tell if they like the pick if you don't know what options there are?

3rd round material??? LOL

He´s been droping constantly from a top 10 pick now all the way to the 2nd round, some (PFW) have him as the 3rd S in the 2nd to 3rd area.

I don't recall Jimmy ever doing that, even if he did, it was probably because WE HAD THE hERSCHEL PICKS and had so many picks we couldn't NOT draft more than a few at the same position, but like I said, I dont' recall Jimmy ever doing that.

1992 - Dallas Cowboys
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 17 Kevin Smith CB Texas A&M
1 24 Robert Jones MLB East Carolina
2 36 Jimmy Smith WR Jackson State
2 37 Darren Woodson DB Arizona State
3 58 Clayton Holmes DB Carson-Newman
3 82 James Brown T Virginia State
4 109 Tom Myslinski G Tennessee
5 120 Gregg Briggs DB Texas Southern

4 of the first 8 picks DB's...


1991 - Dallas Cowboys
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Russell Maryland DT Miami (Fla.)
1 12 Alvin Harper WR Tennessee
1 20 Kelvin Pritchett DT Mississippi (doesn't count since he was traded)
2 37 Dixon Edwards LB Michigan State
3 62 Godfrey Myles LB Florida
3 64 James Richards -- California
3 70 Erik Williams T Central State (Ohio)
4 97 Curvin Richards RB Pittsburgh
4 106 Bill Musgrave QB Oregon
4 108 Tony Hill DE Tennessee-Chattanooga
4 110 Kevin Harris DE Texas Southern
5 132 Darrick Brownlow LB Illinois
6 153 Mike Sullivan G Miami (Fla.)
7 173 Leon Lett DE Emporia State

3 LB's and 3 DE's in the first 7 rounds.

When Jimmah saw a weakness he threw a bunch of picks at it...

[ThatsmyQB]

ENAMORED with long posts? W T F?
You now say you wouldn't like drafting an O.T. in roudn 1, but the post RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE, you said and I QUOTE "Probably would prefer OL"
So I don't get why you're now saying the opposite one post later!

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LIKE I SAID, I'm not gonna make up a full 7 round mock of every player so you can see who's available, NO ONE ELSE has done it with any of their cowboys mocks, RIGHT?
But you said you'd prefer O-line though!

He hasn't been a top 10 pick for awhile now, he's consistenly been ranked in the 15-25 range in round ONE, maybe late 1st, but NO WAY ROUND 3, that's just ridiculous!

I guess you missed where I said cause we had the luxury of having the Herschel pciks and we had TWO 1st TWO 2nd and TWO 3rd rounders though, and we had big needs at d.B. at that point though.
And all we really did was daft a C.b. kin round 1 which was a BIG NEED, drafted a SAFETY in round 2 then another C.B. in round 3 cause it was a need, I could see us taking a C.B. in round 1 and another C.B. in round 2 this year also cause it's a huge need for us, but DO NOT MISTAKE the Jimmy years when he had 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds for 3 years in a row to now!


1991 - Dallas Cowboys
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 1 Russell Maryland DT Miami (Fla.)
1 12 Alvin Harper WR Tennessee
1 20 Kelvin Pritchett DT Mississippi (doesn't count since he was traded)
2 37 Dixon Edwards LB Michigan State
3 62 Godfrey Myles LB Florida
3 64 James Richards -- California
3 70 Erik Williams T Central State (Ohio)
4 97 Curvin Richards RB Pittsburgh
4 106 Bill Musgrave QB Oregon
4 108 Tony Hill DE Tennessee-Chattanooga
4 110 Kevin Harris DE Texas Southern
5 132 Darrick Brownlow LB Illinois
6 153 Mike Sullivan G Miami (Fla.)
7 173 Leon Lett DE Emporia State

3 LB's and 3 DE's in the first 7 rounds.

When Jimmah saw a weakness he threw a bunch of picks at it...

3 LB's and 3 DE's in the first 7 rounds.
LOL, but we had 14 picks in a 7 round draft, what part of that don't you get?????????????????
We had two 1st rounders, three 3rd rounders and FOUR 4th rounders! LOL
Kind of hard NOT to draft a few players at the same position, NO?????



SEE ABOVE, that's NOT WHY, he did it cause we had SO MANY FREAKIN PICKS he had no choice but to use multiple picks on the same position, not to mention our overall team was pretty weak back then with almost no pro-bowlers on our rosters and had tons of spots that need upgrading!
We don't have the LUXURY of having three consecutive years with Two #1's, TWO #2's and TWO #3 picks though, BIG DIFFERENCE between our team back then when we were up and coming with lots of NEEDS and now where we are a team with 13 pro-bowlers and don't have and extra NINE PICKS in the top 3 rounds for 3 years in a row, BIG and I mean BIG DIFFERENCE!

[Joe Rod]

Unless Phillips can play Corner or running back, this draft stinks. Henry has never been injury free since he's been in Dallas and MBIII hasn't been a full time starter since before college. Not addressing our two biggest holes during the Draft means big time "F".

[L-O-Jete]

Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

the point of this was to say IF all the players that we all want in each round were gone when it was our pick, would you have a problem with this draft and who we picked in each round if the players we wanted wewe off the board or would be a massive reach at that point, not just respond with I'd trade down and pick such and such!

Let's start over... maybe this way you'll be happy

Of course I would have a problem if the players I wanted were all gone!!!

Yes I would consider Phillips with 22 a huge reach

happy?

[DFWJC]

Someone has WAY too much free time.

[L-O-Jete]

Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

Just wanna throw this out, I know we all have our favorite players, some love Cason, some hate him, some like Talib, some hate him, same for CJ, Charles, Felix Jones, etc., etc., etc.!

Seems a lot of drafts SHOCK ME, like when we passed on Shaun Rogers I believe for Quincy Carter among other draft shockers when no one knew we'd be going to a 2 TE. set and drafted Fasano in round 2, or drafted Jason Hatcher and Skyler Green in round 3 and 4 when I didn't have any of them on my radar!

So, I know everyone wants certain players, but what would you guys think if we had a draft no one really expects?
We know we need R.B./W.R./C.B. etc., and could make very reasonable assumptions we'll use the top 3 picks on these positions, but what if we don't?
What would everyone think of this draft!

1st: F.S. Kenny Phillips
1st: W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd D.E. Dre' Moore
3rd G. Roy Sheuning
[View Full Quote]4th R.B. Chad Simpson
5th C.B. Jonathon Whittle
6th Q.B. Eric Ainge
7th C.B. Jake Ikegwounu

PICK #22 It's NOTHING like ANY of us expected the draft to go, but if the top corners are off the board at #22, and Phillips is our best VALUE, I don't have a problem with it, he could replace Roy Williams if he falters yet again, and if he improves, which I doubt, but if he does, we could then not have to pay Hamlin and let him go.

A reach and doesn't fill an immediate need not really a ballhawk.
PICK #28 With Jackson, we get a LEGITIMATE speed burner threat we woudl need opposite T.O. and really open up the middle of the field for Witten and completely bolster our return game and don't mind the pick at all, especially if Sweed and Hardy are gone also which could happen.
Would be OK with this
2nd round: Moore would be a great addition to our D-line and could challenge Spears for the starting spot from camp, he's 6'-4 305 and ran an insane 4.88 for his size and did 31 Bench presses at 225, seems like the perfect bookend to Canty and the perfect replacement for Spears, he could be what spears should have been!
Felix Jones/CJ/Charles/Rice could possibly all be gone, and if that's the case, I don't mind adding another playmaker to our D-line.

Would love him in the 4th be OK in the 3rd (even if not really a need) hate it in the 2nd

3rd Round: G. Roy Schuening, would be great value at this point, and most of the good corners could be gone, and again, this is simply a VALUE PICK as with Phillips in round 1, and adding a top Guard to protect Romo is never a bad thing.

Fine pick, but PO'd RB and CB haven't been addressed which are HUGE needs!!!


4th Round: R.B. Chad Simpson- It takes till round 4, but when you got a pro-bowl starter at the position, no need to use a high pick on the backup, but you still need a backup and a compliment and this kid is a BURNER home run threat.
Don't know enough about him to feel safe with him sharing carries with MB3

5th round: C.B. Jonathon Whittle, we needed more corners and couldn't wait any longer, most wanted one higher, me included, but we got Phillips and we still have Henry and Newman and don't have the FORCE the pick this year and get a good 3rd corner prospect.

Would you be happy with this kid (I'm guessing it's J. Wilhite from Auburn) as your 3rd CB in the NFL??????? We would see everyone in at least a 3 wide formation each and every down, and if TNew or Henry get dinged he's starting...

6th round: Eric Ainge I think we need to groom a Q.B., if he's still on the board take him, should go higher though.

Since you insist in drafting only guys who won't help this year fine

7th: Since we didnt' take a C.B. till round 5, and need a top corner definately AFTER the 08' season, we take a flier on Ikegwounu who could turn out to be a top corner after he takes off the year and rehabs and we could get a real steal here ala Canty a few years back!

See above; at least this guy would hopefully help in 2010

SO, what would you think if the draft fell like this?
Making some assumptions like I said with the top corners off the board in round 1 and the top R.B.'s we all want off the board in round 2, and not really the key impact C>B. available in round 3, COULD HAPPEN, so I ask, if that's the case, would anyone have a problem with this draft?
I personally woud like it, granted we missed out on a great corner and didn't get a shot at the 2nd round prospect RB.'s that were off the board anyway when we picked in round 2, but all in all, I think we came away with some GREAT AVALUE with these picks that will only help us this year and down the road by getting such great value at most picks.
Thoughts?

We will not win the SB next year with this draft...

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB

What would everyone think of this draft!

1st: F.S. Kenny Phillips
1st: W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd D.E. Dre' Moore
3rd G. Roy Sheuning
4th R.B. Chad Simpson
5th C.B. Jonathon Whittle
6th Q.B. Eric Ainge
7th C.B. Jake Ikegwounu

where's that vomit icon when you need it?

David

[DaBoys4Life]

Originally Posted by dbair1967

where's that vomit icon when you need it?

David