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Champsheart · 11-08-2004

regarding Henson.
I am with many here and want to see him as soon as possible.
I have little to no hope for this year, and want to see if we have the future now, but I realize Parcells is right and now is not the time.

With our past history developing QB's we can not screw this one up. I want to see Henson to, but lets get him in there with a chance to be succesful.

Right now he would have no running game, 1 receiver who will be taken out of the game with double teams, and a TE going against Philly on Monday Night who will be spitting nails after yesterday.
Then going to Baltimore with the same weapons where to put it lightly is a QB killer, especially in their house. Now is not the time.

Let's do this thing right and at least get Morgan healthy, Julius Jones running, and against some teams who do not chew up and spit out QB's.

Set the kid up to succeed, not fail!

Don't worry folks it will be soon enough. We will soon be 3-7 and out of the race. I suspect we will see Henson either against Chicago or Seattle.

As impatient as I can be I hate to say that BP is right!

jimmy40 · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by Champsheart

regarding Henson.
I am with many here and want to see him as soon as possible.
I have little to no hope for this year, and want to see if we have the future now, but I realize Parcells is right and now is not the time.

With our past history developing QB's we can not screw this one up. I want to see Henson to, but lets get him in there with a chance to be succesful.

Right now he would have no running game, 1 receiver who will be taken out of the game with double teams, and a TE going against Philly on Monday Night who will be spitting nails after yesterday.
Then going to Baltimore with the same weapons where to put it lightly is a QB killer, especially in their house. Now is not the time.

Let's do this thing right and at least get Morgan healthy, Julius Jones running, and against some teams who do not chew up and spit out QB's.

Set the kid up to succeed, not fail!

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I thought Henson should have been treated like a redshirt freshman when you have a senior starter. He should have been getting a series here and there to get his feet wet because he'll probably be the guy next year and the senior will be gone. I guess there's still time for that but I thought it should have started much sooner. I never had any faith in Vinny to lead us anywhere except where we're at, now we're stuck with him starting for a while longer because Henson STILL hasn't played in 4 years.

Rack Bauer · 11-08-2004

I agree. Now would be the worst possible time to put Henson in.

And the reality is, if he's not ready then he's not ready. I wouldn't want to throw the kid in there and have his confidence suffer irepairable (sp?) damage.

Plus, the season is not officially over. It is possible for teams to get hot and run off 6 or 7 wins in a row. Just look at the Steelers.

CanadianCowboysFan · 11-08-2004

Putting Henson in now would be just the same as when we put in Hutchless in 2002. We all know how that turned out.

jdnalls · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by Rack

Plus, the season is not officially over. It is possible for teams to get hot and run off 6 or 7 wins in a row. Just look at the Steelers.

Too bad we're not nearly as good as the Steelers and don't exactly have an easy schedule for the remainder of the season.

I'll still stand by my prediction and say that we'll go 7-9 at the absolute best.

blindzebra · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by Champsheart

regarding Henson.
I am with many here and want to see him as soon as possible.
I have little to no hope for this year, and want to see if we have the future now, but I realize Parcells is right and now is not the time.

With our past history developing QB's we can not screw this one up. I want to see Henson to, but lets get him in there with a chance to be succesful.

Right now he would have no running game, 1 receiver who will be taken out of the game with double teams, and a TE going against Philly on Monday Night who will be spitting nails after yesterday.
Then going to Baltimore with the same weapons where to put it lightly is a QB killer, especially in their house. Now is not the time.

Let's do this thing right and at least get Morgan healthy, Julius Jones running, and against some teams who do not chew up and spit out QB's.

Set the kid up to succeed, not fail!

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Coddling him is setting him up to fail. He will get blitzed by any team he faces. The Bears are playing well on defense and Thanksgiving is a short week, so we can't play him when we are 3-7 either. 4-7 MNF on the road against a playoff bound team in Seattle, so rule out that game. 4-8 against NO, maybe but they blitz a lot and it's a short week after MNF. 5-8 at Philly, nope. 5-9 we are out of the playoffs and we always beat Washington, but Williams loves to blitz, so we better wait.6-9 at NYG, what can we learn in one game?

See how stupid it all sounds. There will ALWAYS be a reason to not do it.

SuspectCorner · 11-08-2004

this is getting ridiculous. start vinny and alternate him with drew AND romo. it's time to pull the collective head from sand and realize the future is now. WHATEVER the cowboys need to do to justify getting henson some PT - they need to get the wheels rolling on it TODAY!

jimmy40 · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

Coddling him is setting him up to fail. He will get blitzed by any team he faces. The Bears are playing well on defense and Thanksgiving is a short week, so we can't play him when we are 3-7 either. 4-7 MNF on the road against a playoff bound team in Seattle, so rule out that game. 4-8 against NO, maybe but they blitz a lot and it's a short week after MNF. 5-8 at Philly, nope. 5-9 we are out of the playoffs and we always beat Washington, but Williams loves to blitz, so we better wait.6-9 at NYG, what can we learn in one game?

See how stupid it all sounds. There will ALWAYS be a reason to not do it.

None of that sounds near as stupid as starting him against Philly coming off an *** kicking or Baltimore. They may all be excuses but these next two are really good ones.

mr.jameswoods · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by Champsheart

regarding Henson.
I am with many here and want to see him as soon as possible.
I have little to no hope for this year, and want to see if we have the future now, but I realize Parcells is right and now is not the time.

With our past history developing QB's we can not screw this one up. I want to see Henson to, but lets get him in there with a chance to be succesful.

Right now he would have no running game, 1 receiver who will be taken out of the game with double teams, and a TE going against Philly on Monday Night who will be spitting nails after yesterday.
Then going to Baltimore with the same weapons where to put it lightly is a QB killer, especially in their house. Now is not the time.

Let's do this thing right and at least get Morgan healthy, Julius Jones running, and against some teams who do not chew up and spit out QB's.

Set the kid up to succeed, not fail!

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Agreed, we mishandled the last two QB prospects. Granted, they probably wouldn't have improved much had we sat them but I think in todays NFL, you have to sit a QB. The speed of the game is even faster today than it once was. And there is more of a cerebral aspect to the game with so many inctricate formations etc. that the mental element of the game will at least need a year to adjust.

I used to advocate throwing a QB to the wolves like what we did with Aikman. But I think the learning curve for a QB is even greater today than it once was. And some people think a QB doesn't do much by sitting on the bench but that's so not true. They help the coaches call plays, they scrimage against their own defense, they watch film and they are around the team for everything. It does help. Tom Brady had a handful of snaps in the year prior to his first Superbowl win. Yet he was ready when he was asked to start because he still learned on the bench for a year prior to playing.

And you are right. We have no running game to take the pressure off of Henson. We don't have a trio of receivers like Rothlisberger has in Pittsburgh. Sit him down.

I also find it funny how Cowboy fans ignore the fact that Henson was out of football for years. This is not a guy who started in college last year. I don't care if you are talking about John Elway. If John Elway had only one season in college and played baseball the last few years, he is not going to be ready. This is just common sense.

dbair1967 · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by Rack

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Plus, the season is not officially over. It is possible for teams to get hot and run off 6 or 7 wins in a row. Just look at the Steelers.

who by the way are being QB'd by a rookie from Miami, of Ohio...not Miami of Florida

I'm not mad like some that Henson isnt playing, but he should be once we get to 7 or 8 losses...I'm beginning to wonder if even that will happen, as there realyl isnt any excuse for Eddie George and Richie Anderson to be getting 95% of the carries instead of Rashard Lee either...nor should Dedric Ward have ever made this roster, let alone seen the field...nor should Darrian Barnes been kept as a FB over Jamar Martin...

David

Redball Express · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by Champsheart

regarding Henson.
I am with many here and want to see him as soon as possible.
I have little to no hope for this year, and want to see if we have the future now, but I realize Parcells is right and now is not the time.

With our past history developing QB's we can not screw this one up. I want to see Henson to, but lets get him in there with a chance to be succesful.

Right now he would have no running game, 1 receiver who will be taken out of the game with double teams, and a TE going against Philly on Monday Night who will be spitting nails after yesterday.
Then going to Baltimore with the same weapons where to put it lightly is a QB killer, especially in their house. Now is not the time.

Let's do this thing right and at least get Morgan healthy, Julius Jones running, and against some teams who do not chew up and spit out QB's.

Set the kid up to succeed, not fail!

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Nope..got to disagree.

This team is in complete disaray and Henson needs to get reps..even if he only plays a quarter..or even a few series. Treat it like a pre-season game.

But start getting him ready each week and commit to playing him. Same with Romo. Get him in the mix..even for several series.

Start the evaluation. Now.

This pandering about not wanting to play Henson is strictly money oriented and contract driven.

Henson has clauses in his contract that states he has voidable years and accelerated contract earnings for next year and the following years based on any playing time this season.

If I recall..it's like if he plays in more than 15% of the snaps in '04 or something like that. It's a pretty small amount anyways.

So if he starts getting snaps now, he'll blow his contract up for next year and there will be even more pressure to play him or dump him.

I'm sorry. I like BP bunches but he's made a season's worth of poor personnel decisions in '04 and he needs to stop micro-managing everything.

We have to know if Henson has ANYTHING actually for '05 to expect at the position. In game situations. Not controlled scrimmages and scout team offenses.

We have to know ASAP if one of our #1 picks next year is going to be a QB.

It's as simple as that. If Parcells feels he can't make that decision based on the stuff he's seeing in practice, he needs to step aside and let somebody else make the decisions on the present personnel.

I'm sorry, but BP's track record is poor so far with this team overall. To keep skating along, and extending this decision until the last game or two this season is nuts.

Parcells needs to do what is best for the team. Even if it's exposing the fact that they may have made a mistake in taking Henson. I'm beginning to think that is what is going on. But nobody can make a judgement because we can't see him play.

This is beginnig to get old to me. Parcells has proven time and again this season..he hasn't a clue, really.

In his own words.

So let's get a clue, BP.

Play Henson, get him ready even if it's for 2 series a game until the end of the year in the last 10 minutes of every game. We'll call it the Henson Zone.

Dadadadadadadaaaa.

Let's move forward. Enough of all the overworked theories and hand-wringing.

For once, I'd like Parcells to really seize control of this team and quit trying to live up to his past and protect his present.

Tell the rest of the team it's time to march if they value their jobs for next year and give the kid the rock.

I dare ya.

Some will rally and play. The rest will drop off and quit. We need to know who is going to be counted on next year. Those days are upon us. That ain't no fun to say..but this team is on track to be one of the worst ones since '63.

Let that last statement sink in.

Then we can all agree on the urgency.

Later.

Parcellswaterboy

The Curly One · 11-08-2004

Huchinson, Quincy Carter and Henson are not quite in the same class.
The other thing is in Aikmans first year we did not have an offensive line at all. Troy got sacked 15 times during one game against the Eagles. Jimmy Johnson made getting an offensive line a top proirity and the rest is history.
Now our offensive line is not very good again and is the root of most of our problems. In fact our offensive line has not been very good since before Troy retired as they just were not protecting him the last few years.
If we had a better offensive line then I would say throw Henson to the wolves and let him play. But right now is just not the right time.
It will be time very soon though. He has to get game experience unless you think that Vinny is our QB of the future.
Is Henson our QB of the futre? Who knows, but we better find out soon.
Curly

Teague31 · 11-08-2004

Didn't a rookie QB just whip the Beagles? Thought so. PHIN (Put Henson in Now)

SuspectCorner · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by mr.jameswoods

Agreed, we mishandled the last two QB prospects. Granted, they probably wouldn't have improved much had we sat them but I think in todays NFL, you have to sit a QB. The speed of the game is even faster today than it once was. And there is more of a cerebral aspect to the game with so many inctricate formations etc. that the mental element of the game will at least need a year to adjust.

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yeah buddy. quincy left here with NO confidence. are you kidding me? he thought he was the best thing since peanut butter. you could drop a 10-ton weight on some QBs and they would think it was just an off day. they generate confidence from within. this is the kinda player that is likely to succeed. "protecting" a QB from competition in the pros is like refusing to mound a pitcher unless they're doing a tour of japan. ridiculous!

jimmy40 · 11-08-2004

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Originally Posted by tothewhipbill

yeah buddy. quincy left here with NO confidence. are you kidding me? he thought he was the best thing since peanut butter. you could drop a 10-ton weight on some QBs and they would think it was just an off day. they generate confidence from within. this is the kinda player that is likely to succeed. "protecting" a QB from competition in the pros is like refusing to mound a pitcher unless they're doing a tour of japan. ridiculous!

How many teams blitz the mound?