Did anyone see the Democrats energy proposal?

[AtlCB]

These buffoons truly don't get it! They seem to be under the delusion that wind farms, solar panels, and plug-in hybrids will immediately make us energy independant!

Let's kill some more bats and birds. I hope you like extremely high energy prices and mosquitoes!

[burmafrd]

Did you expect them to come up with something real? If so then you have been asleep for about 20 years.

[SuspectCorner]

Nothing like the immediacy of neocon Repug plans for offshore pimping - err... drilling.

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by SuspectCorner

Nothing like the immediacy of neocon Repug plans for offshore pimping - err... drilling.

Respectfully I must ask you if you have much knowledge and experience with commodities markets and the oil field, i do not ask that as a thinly disguised barb but because I'm alarmed by the ignorance in the general population concerning the two.

The Democrats have publicly promoted nationalization which I assure you is a monumental disaster if ever pursued, it is also a silly ad hominem employed by many to blame Republicans and "big oil" for gas prices, they do not control the market value.

[burmafrd]

you must forgive him. He has listened to the moronic mantra for so long he just naturally regurgitates it.

[SuspectCorner]

Originally Posted by Aikbach

Respectfully I must ask you if you have much knowledge and experience with commodities markets and the oil field, i do not ask that as a thinly disguised barb but because I'm alarmed by the ignorance in the general population concerning the two.

The Democrats have publicly promoted nationalization which I assure you is a monumental disaster if ever pursued, it is also a silly ad hominem employed by many to blame Republicans and "big oil" for gas prices, they do not control the market value.

And just as respectfully I must point out that most intelligent indications are that new offshore drilling operations MAY affect the price of a gallon of gas by a few cents - several years (as many as 30) from now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071302052.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/18/bush.offshore/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/wa...n/18drill.html

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ts_say/?page=2

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...drilling_hoax/

[Walker]

Texas is already taking a leading role in what the democrats are proposing. A colleague of mine help run a few oil rigs off the gulf of Mexico and has recently been transferred to help install new energy plans. Offshore drilling is not going to do jack but help save a few cents. Hopefully a president gets in the white house that actually does what he promised during the elections by reducing the demand for foreign oil. Presidents have promised this for now about 30 years, and hopefully one of them finally takes lead.

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by SuspectCorner

And just as respectfully I must point out that most intelligent indications are that new offshore drilling operations MAY affect the price of a gallon of gas by a few cents - several years (as many as 30) from now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071302052.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/18/bush.offshore/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/wa...n/18drill.html

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ts_say/?page=2

[View Full Quote]http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...drilling_hoax/

What is absent from this logic is that refining capacities are the chief physical hurdle to American oil production and not drilling itself.

Our own silly policies undermine our refining capacities and keep prices from otherwise being alleviated by production means.

Its not that the oil companies have refused to cheapen their product at the pump, its largely that they've been forced to keep it as is because of EPA refusal to update and build new refineries, coupled with OPEC and the commodities exchange we are one third of our own problem.

[sacase]

Originally Posted by SuspectCorner

Nothing like the immediacy of neocon Repug plans for offshore pimping - err... drilling.

More liberal double talk.

Pelosi says that drilling more will only drop the price of oil a few cents, but at the same time she wants to release oil from the strategic reserves to help lower the price of gas.....

The solution is obvious, drill now and research new technologies now. But libs are to caught up in their agenda to realize this. No wonder they are called the party of no ideas.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by AtlCB

These buffoons truly don't get it! They seem to be under the delusion that wind farms, solar panels, and plug-in hybrids will immediately make us energy independant!

Let's kill some more bats and birds. I hope you like extremely high energy prices and mosquitoes!

What kills me is the interview Pelosie gave with Meet the press when confronted with the fact that she has invested her money in Pickens plan she did not know because it was part of a fund and then goes on to say how she believe in the plan. She went on to say for now we need to get away from fossil fuels and go to natural gas? Hey Idiot natural gas is a fossil fuel you moron.

My god this woman was hitting on all cylinders this past Sunday. On abortion she said as a Catholic that they do not believe life starts at conception thankfully a couple of Bishops have counted that and said Catholics have believed life has started at conception for only 2,000 years. Since then Nancy has counted it is a regional thing depending on where you come from? God this woman is a moron and one of the top leaders of the Democratic party? You have got to be kidding

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by sacase

More liberal double talk.

Pelosi says that drilling more will only drop the price of oil a few cents, but at the same time she wants to release oil from the strategic reserves to help lower the price of gas.....

The solution is obvious, drill now and research new technologies now. But libs are to caught up in their agenda to realize this. No wonder they are called the party of no ideas.

Hell she has a personal investment in all of this. Dems talk about subsides for oil companies yet these alternative companies are getting 25% more in subsides than the evil oil company?

[ologan]

Just my 2 cents,but if we don't develop what we have,and I mean all of it (Oil,gas),then could there ever be a day when somebody,somewhere has a real big woodie for us,and decides to turn off the spigot? That could happen in any number of ways,not the least of which is blocking the Straits of Hormuz,or closing down a pipeline running thru the Ukraine or Georgia,or even our 'friends' in the arab world deciding to 'punish' us,as they have done before. Why put ourselves in a position of being able to be blackmailed without notice!
Develop everything we can,and that includes all the non fossil fuel scenarios...But for Gods sake,develop those too,cause I'd rather have that big arrow in the quiver if we need it,and we will need it sooner or later. I just want to have it when that time comes.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by ologan

Just my 2 cents,but if we don't develop what we have,and I mean all of it (Oil,gas),then could there ever be a day when somebody,somewhere has a real big woodie for us,and decides to turn off the spigot? That could happen in any number of ways,not the least of which is blocking the Straits of Hormuz,or closing down a pipeline running thru the Ukraine or Georgia,or even our 'friends' in the arab world deciding to 'punish' us,as they have done before. Why put ourselves in a position of being able to be blackmailed without notice!
Develop everything we can,and that includes all the non fossil fuel scenarios...But for Gods sake,develop those too,cause I'd rather have that big arrow in the quiver if we need it,and we will need it sooner or later. I just want to have it when that time comes.

That is why the Republicans do not want to open the strategic reserve. The reserve was put into place after the oil embargo in the 70's for emergencies

[ologan]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

That is why the Republicans do not want to open the strategic reserve. The reserve was put into place after the oil embargo in the 70's for emergencies

Understood,but how long would the SPR last if faced with a long term interruption? Once you go thru it,what's left?

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by ologan

Understood,but how long would the SPR last if faced with a long term interruption? Once you go thru it,what's left?

Not long if we don't step up and start drilling our own oil like every other nation in the world does who has access to oil. I'm all for alternatives but I think both can and should be done. Hamstringing yourself is not a solution it is a recipe for disaster. Dems need to get their head out of LA LA Land and deal with reality for a change!!!!