Earning Bill's Trust - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Cajuncowboy · 11-10-2004

What exactly does that mean? What does Rashard Lee have to do to earn this trust. HE has done everything he's been asked to do. He has a 5 yard per carry avg. He does well on kick returns. And EG is old. What exactly does Lee have to do? He goes in only for a few carries a game and he makes the most out of them. I'm not saying he is the end all, be all, but how can we know if he doesn't get his shot? Just wondering.

TheHustler · 11-10-2004

He has to learn to how pick up the blitz. He has to learn how to not be a liability when he is on the field without the ball.

It's pretty clear I think.

InmanRoshi · 11-10-2004

Pick up the blitz in practice. If he can't pick it up in practice, why would you think he's going to do it in games?

Juke99 · 11-10-2004

First off, I think Bill is over protective of Vinny...Vinny actually has a bit of mobility, he's not Kurt Warner or Aikman at the end of his career AND the offensive line has done a good job of pass protecting.

Second...Anderson is the guy who is in the pass packages...not Lee, not George, not even Barnes...so Bill is holding a guy out of the game on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 5 because he can't pick up the blitz? What is all this talk of Lee and pass protection. He isn't going to in the game, regardless, during passing downs.

Cajuncowboy · 11-10-2004

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Originally Posted by Juke99

First off, I think Bill is over protective of Vinny...Vinny actually has a bit of mobility, he's not Kurt Warner or Aikman at the end of his career AND the offensive line has done a good job of pass protecting.

Second...Anderson is the guy who is in the pass packages...not Lee, not George, not even Barnes...so Bill is holding a guy out of the game on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 5 because he can't pick up the blitz? What is all this talk of Lee and pass protection. He isn't going to in the game, regardless, during passing downs.

That's my point. He only has one pass reception this year. It's not like he is part of that plan. But he should be in on first and second downs. Heck, even if you want to throw on first or second down, why not have him in the pattern with Barnes to pick up the blitz if that's the concern. This whole picking up the blitz thing is bunk. It's just to make sure that Lee doesn't show up either Jones choice at RB (George) or make it more difficult for BP's pick (JJ) when he comes back. This just looks like an ego thing to me. And it's stupid.

Doomsday101 · 11-10-2004

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First off, I think Bill is over protective of Vinny...Vinny actually has a bit of mobility, he's not Kurt Warner or Aikman at the end of his career AND the offensive line has done a good job of pass protecting.

Second...Anderson is the guy who is in the pass packages...not Lee, not George, not even Barnes...so Bill is holding a guy out of the game on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 5 because he can't pick up the blitz? What is all this talk of Lee and pass protection. He isn't going to in the game, regardless, during passing downs.

So in other words when Lee is in the defense knows we are not going to pass. Parcells does know more about what is going on than any fan or media guy when it comes to this team. People can complain and moan all they want but no I do not think you (fans) or the media has a better understanding of what is going on than Bill. Do you spend all week working with these guys? do you know where any of these players may be in their learning process, Tell me how did Lee look during the week at practice? You nor I can ansewer these questions but I do think Bill can, let him do his job and at the end of the year judge him on the season

Cajuncowboy · 11-10-2004

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So in other words when Lee is in the defense knows we are not going to pass. Parcells does know more about what is going on than any fan or media guy when it comes to this team. People can complain and moan all they want but no I do not think you (fans) or the media has a better understanding of what is going on than Bill. Do you spend all week working with these guys? do you know where any of these players may be in their learning process, Tell me how did Lee look during the week at practice? You nor I can ansewer these questions but I do think Bill can, let him do his job and at the end of the year judge him on the season

SO if that is the case how do you explain that when Lee runs the ball, and if as you say everyone knows it's a running play, he gains 5 yds per carry?

Doomsday101 · 11-10-2004

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SO if that is the case how do you explain that when Lee runs the ball, and if as you say everyone knows it's a running play, he gains 5 yds per carry?

I'm not saying Lee is a bad player and yes I would like to see him get more playing time but we hired a coach or as some said when we hired him a REAL Coach well then damn it let him coach. He took this team last year to the playoffs while many around here expected no more than 6 or 7 wins on the season and now these same people want to turn on Parcells? Give me a break. Bill knows what the deal is and will coach this team the best way he can and I'll put his record up against any fan who is under the impression that they are so much more informed. Give opinion that is what this board is all about but do not act as if we are so knowledgeable of what is taking place at Valley Ranch to think we could run this team.

Jarv · 11-10-2004

He might miss blitz's in practice, but I've seen him pick them up in games ? As a matter of fact, I've seen EG miss a lot of blitz's...and RA was the guy that knocked the ball outta Vinny's hand when his misjudged a blitz in the Pitt game...

TheHustler · 11-10-2004

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SO if that is the case how do you explain that when Lee runs the ball, and if as you say everyone knows it's a running play, he gains 5 yds per carry?

Garbage time yards. Against Cinci he had 4 runs for 30 something yards with a couple minutes left in the game when Cinci was playing a prevent defense.

YPC isn't a good barometer when you're a spot RB, I think the T-ham project taught us that.

DoomsDayD · 11-10-2004

You know what that means...That Lee isnt one of the "good Ole boys" on parcells list. He isnt one of his so-called buds from jets or giants. Like i said before loyalty and stubbornness is going to be this mans downfall.

blindzebra · 11-10-2004

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So in other words when Lee is in the defense knows we are not going to pass. Parcells does know more about what is going on than any fan or media guy when it comes to this team. People can complain and moan all they want but no I do not think you (fans) or the media has a better understanding of what is going on than Bill. Do you spend all week working with these guys? do you know where any of these players may be in their learning process, Tell me how did Lee look during the week at practice? You nor I can ansewer these questions but I do think Bill can, let him do his job and at the end of the year judge him on the season

Then would it not make sense to throw with Lee in the game? I mean if Tuna has been saying I don't trust him, the defense will key run and open up play action.

This whole thing is BS.

Reason one:

EG and RA have blown 6 blitz pick ups causing 3 fumbles. Lee has not missed one.

Reason two:

The best way to stop or slow down a blitz IS TO RUN THE BALL FOR BIG PLAYS. That requires some burst from your RB. Do that and play action has an effect, not just window dressing.

Call it losing it, call it being too loyal, or call it stubborness, but TRUST is plain old crap.

Cajuncowboy · 11-10-2004

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Garbage time yards. Against Cinci he had 4 runs for 30 something yards with a couple minutes left in the game when Cinci was playing a prevent defense.

YPC isn't a good barometer when you're a spot RB, I think the T-ham project taught us that.

No no no. The T-ham project taught us that T-ham tackled himself. Lee has shown none of that. But what is the purpose of having a guy on your team if he doesn't get the chance to show what he can do when the other option on your team is not getting the job done? Again, I am not saying he is the best thing since sliced bread. Just that there is nothing to lose in giving him a shot and seeing what we have. There is no better way to evaluate talent than in a game.

Doomsday101 · 11-10-2004

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Then would it not make sense to throw with Lee in the game? I mean if Tuna has been saying I don't trust him, the defense will key run and open up play action.

This whole thing is BS.

Reason one:

EG and RA have blown 6 blitz pick ups causing 3 fumbles. Lee has not missed one.

Reason two:

The best way to stop or slow down a blitz IS TO RUN THE BALL FOR BIG PLAYS. That requires some burst from your RB. Do that and play action has an effect, not just window dressing.

Call it losing it, call it being too loyal, or call it stubborness, but TRUST is plain old crap.

Stubbornness because he is not doing what you wants him to do. LOL OK Bill is a dumb ars and you should coach this team. Sorry I think you think to high of your own opinion. Are you at Practice? are you there when these guys are in the meeting rooms and film rooms how much understanding does Lee or Henson have of their responsibly or the various plays? Bill is out trying to win games not make some are chair QB feel good about himself by doing what the fans want. We hired Parcells to do a job and while we may disagree in the end it is his job and I do think he has a clearer picture of what he is trying to do and what he is trying to get out of these players than you or I.

Rack Bauer · 11-10-2004

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Originally Posted by TheHustler

He has to learn to how pick up the blitz. He has to learn how to not be a liability when he is on the field without the ball.

It's pretty clear I think.

Exactly. BP could only play him when he's gonna give him the ball, but NFL defensive Coordinators will figure that out and not worry about the pass when he's in there.

If the guy isn't improving after all these weeks then he shouldn't play more. I want Lee to play, but I want him to know what he's doing when he does play.