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[DaBoys4Life]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree, too. It's essentially a mathematical certainty that there's going to be some top flight talent available at either OL, LB, or DB at 51. Gilbert's a good player and all, but I see someone drafted at those positions making a greater impact in the coming years.

And also, if somehow Robiskie falls to 51, I would take him over Gilbert, all day, any day. An instant #2 WR versus a #3 DE. It's a no-brainer.

Want to tells me what top flight talent at those position you think will be there and why they would automatically go over Gilbert. I'm not saying there isn't an option there however, considering what we have at every position the same knock for us not picking Gilbert could be said for anyone of the positions you named. So what do we just trade down or not draft anyone?

[RS12]

I think the Giants taught the NFL two years ago that there no such thing as having too much talent on the D Line. Aslo alot of talent on the D Line covers up deficiencies behind them.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Bizwah

I think Martin is expected to cover the safety position.

I agree about the OL. I believe you take an OL in every draft.

But a nice effort. I wouldn't cry about this.

My only other gripe is a small one. Too many small-school guys. I like Parcells' philosohpy on this...Players from major conferences have a higher success rate than those from smaller schools. That doesn't mean small-school guys should be ignored.....We should just avoid trying to be too cute.

Guess that's why BP wanted Spears ahead of Ware. Kidding

[DaBoys4Life]

Originally Posted by RS12

I think the Giants taught the NFL two years ago that there no such thing as having too much talent on the D Line. Aslo alot of talent on the D Line covers up deficiencies behind them.

[Common Sense]

Originally Posted by DaBoys4Life

Want to tells me what top flight talent at those position you think will be there and why they would automatically go over Gilbert. I'm not saying there isn't an option there however, considering what we have at every position the same knock for us not picking Gilbert could be said for anyone of the positions you named. So what do we just trade down or not draft anyone?

Eh, if the value isn't there, sure. Part of my logic is that there's going to be a first-round run on two or three positions -- offensive tackle, and either defensive end or wide receiver. Maybe both. But that's going to push down some good value at guard, defensive back, and linebacker. On that note, Gilbert might not even be there at 51 (the draft's still a month away... this stuff is way too early to even talk about credibly), but let's go ahead and assume he is.

I think it's highly likely that Levitre, Robinson, or Urbik is on the board at 51. I personally think that tackle is a bigger priority for the Boys (Flozell is one of the oldest starting tackles in the league... it's time for a contingency plan), but the value probably won't be there. At least seven OTs will have gone off the board by then, if not more. There may be pretty good value at center, too, but I don't want to start that discussion. It'll get ugly quick.

As far as inside linebacker, Maualuga goes in the first round and so does Laurinaitis, in all likelihood. But I'm not sure that many teams are going to be looking ILB in the first half of the second. If that's the case, there should be some decent guys on the board, but you'll probably get better value in round three. Everybody knows the hot names here, so let's move on...

At DB... Delmas is gone by now. Period. So are the top five corner prospects. But there are some pretty interesting names that should be left, and we're borderline dangerously thin in the secondary. Just admit it. If Newman goes down again, we're one injury away from a nickel package crisis. You can't go 16 games or more praying that two people don't get banged up in the secondary. Odds are it's pretty much going to happen. That said, the argument here is whether or not the true value lies in the second or third round.

I think we seriously consider drafting another receiver also. Jerry wanted one in the second last year. Miles Austin hasn't changed anything since then. People were quietly saying the same things about him back then, and now we're minus TO. Yeah, yeah, Roy Williams, I know. Whatever. Like I said, if Brian Robiskie's still on the board at 51, I think he represents a better value and has the chance to make a bigger impact on the team than a backup DE. Although, I'll admit, I think he probably goes early second, along with Kenny Britt and Heyward-Bey (Not a first rounder, despite what ESPN says. And if someone does take him that high, it's a reach.). Of course, Jarron Gilbert might be just as likely to be gone by then too, so... it's all "what ifs" at this point.

[Common Sense]

Originally Posted by RS12

I think the Giants taught the NFL two years ago that there no such thing as having too much talent on the D Line. Aslo alot of talent on the D Line covers up deficiencies behind them.

You want pass rushers, not necessarily DL. For us, that (especially) includes linebackers.

[DaBoys4Life]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

Eh, if the value isn't there, sure. Part of my logic is that there's going to be a first-round run on two or three positions -- offensive tackle, and either defensive end or wide receiver. Maybe both. But that's going to push down some good value at guard, defensive back, and linebacker. On that note, Gilbert might not even be there at 51 (the draft's still a month away... this stuff is way too early to even talk about credibly), but let's go ahead and assume he is.

I think it's highly likely that Levitre, Robinson, or Urbik is on the board at 51. I personally think that tackle is a bigger priority for the Boys (Flozell is one of the oldest starting tackles in the league... it's time for a contingency plan), but the value probably won't be there. At least seven OTs will have gone off the board by then, if not more. There may be pretty good value at center, too, but I don't want to start that discussion. It'll get ugly quick.

[View Full Quote]As far as inside linebacker, Maualuga goes in the first round and so does Laurinaitis, in all likelihood. But I'm not sure that many teams are going to be looking ILB in the first half of the second. If that's the case, there should be some decent guys on the board, but you'll probably get better value in round three. Everybody knows the hot names here, so let's move on...

At DB... Delmas is gone by now. Period. So are the top five corner prospects. But there are some pretty interesting names that should be left, and we're borderline dangerously thin in the secondary. Just admit it. If Newman goes down again, we're one injury away from a nickel package crisis. You can't go 16 games or more praying that two people don't get banged up in the secondary. Odds are it's pretty much going to happen. That said, the argument here is whether or not the true value lies in the second or third round.

I think we seriously consider drafting another receiver also. Jerry wanted one in the second last year. Miles Austin hasn't changed anything since then. People were quietly saying the same things about him back then, and now we're minus TO. Yeah, yeah, Roy Williams, I know. Whatever. Like I said, if Brian Robiskie's still on the board at 51, I think he represents a better value and has the chance to make a bigger impact on the team than a backup DE. Although, I'll admit, I think he probably goes early second, along with Kenny Britt and Heyward-Bey (Not a first rounder, despite what ESPN says. And if someone does take him that high, it's a reach.). Of course, Jarron Gilbert might be just as likely to be gone by then too, so... it's all "what ifs" at this point.

So no one is going to be there with higher value than Gilbert and he might not be there...so how is he a bad pick? Also I don't like the pick off a WR even with the lose of TO. I addressed all those position you said with later picks in the draft I tried to get the best value at each pick.

[DaBoys4Life]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

You want pass rushers, not necessarily DL. For us, that (especially) includes linebackers.

This is true however, considering this is a 3-4 defense I think gilbert could be an above average pass rusher better than spears and bowen and hatcher. He can also dominate against the run.

[Common Sense]

Yeah, it's a possibility. And I just meant value to the Cowboys specifically. He might have more value to another team, or they might panic and reach. A lot of DEs are going to go off the board early, and somebody's going to want to make sure they lock their guy up.

Oh, I also looked back and noticed I said "At least seven OTs will be off the board by then." That's probably an exaggeration, but, again, possible. At least five or six will be gone.

[DaBoys4Life]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

Yeah, it's a possibility. And I just meant value to the Cowboys specifically. He might have more value to another team, or they might panic and reach. A lot of DEs are going to go off the board early, and somebody's going to want to make sure they lock their guy up.

Oh, I also looked back and noticed I said "At least seven OTs will be off the board by then." That's probably an exaggeration, but, again, possible. At least five or six will be gone.

I don't think that's an exaggeration I think 4 will go in the top 10. There's a lot of good tackles this year.

[Goldenrichards83]

Originally Posted by SLATEmosphere

Drafting a DE at that spot is an extremely dumb move..We already have our starting D-line in tact with Hatcher and Bowen still needing to get playing time..Drafting Gilbert would be blocking those guys..LET EM GET A CHANCE! 3-4 DE's can be had later in the draft..

SAY NO TO THIS DRAFT.

Hatcher and Spears are FA next year why not draft the best player on the board, besides our rotation would be sick. Think of Jimmy Jones, Tony Tolbert, Haley, Maryland, Lett, Jim Jeffcoat, Tony Cassilas and Chad Hennings the 92 roster.

Love the draft. The only problem I have with it is I would address the oline alot sooner.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by HomeOfLegends

I would not rule out any position with that first pick. Strange things have happened in the draft and you never know who is going to fall. I know the odds are slim and none (like almost nil) but if the likes of Stafford, Sanchez or wells would drop it would be hard not to pull the trigger.

TE maybe the only position you can rule out. I don't think even if Pettigrew was on the board at 51 it would interest the Cowboys but I could be wrong.

If Dallas was faced with a falling Sanchez or Stafford or other position they'd probably try to trade the pick for more value as they did when Quinn fell.

Generally if you don't really want the best player available the best thing to do is trade down.

51 is a bit different from most Cowboys 2nd round selections because it is their first of the draft. They NEED to get good value also a guy who can help NOW. They'll expect a guy who can help AT LEAST as much as Martellus Bennett did last year as our 3rd highest selection.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by RS12

I think the Giants taught the NFL two years ago that there no such thing as having too much talent on the D Line. Aslo alot of talent on the D Line covers up deficiencies behind them.

This would be fine except we run a 3-4 Defense.

We need an OLB and if you take one at 51 it doesn't surprise me at all.

But does anyone even know who is the best NFL 3-4 DE???

We all have guys we love for various reasons and like say Antoine Cason this guy could be a real star in the league at some point. But just as Cason was drafted to be a 2nd CB for a team who plays more zone than we want to, Gilbert will be drafted by a team who plays a 4-3 and can line him up where he truly fits as a quick DT that can shoot gaps like LaRoi Glover.

He has wayyy more value. If he is the BPA at 51 it will be as a value to 4-3 teams.

3-4 DEs are going to be asked to hold up tackles and guards and basically make a path for Ware/Spencer/Ellis or hopefully a draftee.

We already liberally rotate in Bowen and Hatcher. We have 4 very solid DEs and will very likely carry 4 into the season. If Gilbert were to fall into round 3 or 4 I think we'd have to consider him but not at 51.

He's just a guy who will be really good elsewhere; as was Antoine Cason.

And the reason we didn't take Mendenhall instead of Felix is the exact same: It is about system fit. Not every guy has the same value to every team.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by Goldenrichards83

Hatcher and Spears are FA next year why not draft the best player on the board, besides our rotation would be sick. Think of Jimmy Jones, Tony Tolbert, Haley, Maryland, Lett, Jim Jeffcoat, Tony Cassilas and Chad Hennings the 92 roster.

Love the draft. The only problem I have with it is I would address the oline alot sooner.

Again we run a 3-4 defense and do not carry that many DL into the season.

Our best DL came from a 7th round pick. We will not use a 2nd there. That is one of the few things about this draft I will guarantee you. The difference between Canty as a 4th, Hatcher as a 3rd, Ratliff as a 7th and Spears as a 1st is actually minimal. Partially because the job required of them is not one that calls for all-world talent but instead strength and discipline and size.

I do think we could grab a DL with a 5th, 6th or 7th depending upon who is there.

[reddyuta]

I would also be open to trade ups.If a good OT,safety or LB who almost got a 1st rd grade from our team is still available at 43-44 we can move up by trading 51 and one of our 4th rd picks.