Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking

[Jordan55]

It appears the bottom line is we have no clue as to climate change
Waiting on the rebuttal from Al Bore

Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

Antarctica has 90 percent of the Earth's ice and 80 percent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilization of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades."


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Australia Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.

"Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Allison said.

Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Center shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded

[iceberg]

all that is going to happen now is the WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE crowd will continue the shift from global warming to climate change to keep the stupidity alive. extreme people always find something to be extreme about and it gets old.

[TheCount]

Got a link to the original article? Thanks.

[ScipioCowboy]

Originally Posted by TheCount

Got a link to the original article? Thanks.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517035,00.html

And I'll even save people the time: lol foxnews lol

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517035,00.html

And I'll even save people the time: lol foxnews lol

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...57-401,00.html

Seems to be where Fox got the stories from, that may help as far as the lol's.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by TheCount

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...57-401,00.html

Seems to be where Fox got the stories from, that may help as far as the lol's.

lol the australian lol

[Rogah]

Now I am most certainly not on board with the global warming crowd, but here's some food for thought. I once read a book called "Physics for Future Presidents" by some physics professor who essentially explained the science behind many modern day political issues (oil, nuclear power, nuclear weapons, environmental matters, etc).

In this book he describes a widespread belief among many scientists that global warming will ultimately increase the size of the Antarctic ice shelf and global cooling will reduce the size. Yes, you read that right (even though I know it sounds very counterintuitive). He even quotes a UN Study from 2001 the openly predicts global warming will increase the amount of ice down there.

The quick explanation behind this theory is that global warming increases evaporation in the tropics, which in turn increases global precipitation. Since precipitation in Antarctica tends to be snow, we experience an increase in the size of the ice shelf because the snow falls at a rate greater than any melting that occurs.

I always think about this when I read about the ice down there and I just wanted to provide some food for thought for everyone in here

[masomenos]

Originally Posted by Rogah

Now I am most certainly not on board with the global warming crowd, but here's some food for thought. I once read a book called "Physics for Future Presidents" by some physics professor who essentially explained the science behind many modern day political issues (oil, nuclear power, nuclear weapons, environmental matters, etc).

In this book he describes a widespread belief among many scientists that global warming will ultimately increase the size of the Antarctic ice shelf and global cooling will reduce the size. Yes, you read that right (even though I know it sounds very counterintuitive). He even quotes a UN Study from 2001 the openly predicts global warming will increase the amount of ice down there.

[View Full Quote]The quick explanation behind this theory is that global warming increases evaporation in the tropics, which in turn increases global precipitation. Since precipitation in Antarctica tends to be snow, we experience an increase in the size of the ice shelf because the snow falls at a rate greater than any melting that occurs.

I always think about this when I read about the ice down there and I just wanted to provide some food for thought for everyone in here

That sounds like an interesting book, I'll have to see if I can pick it up.

I've heard something similar to what you were talking about though. It was along the lines of global warming would actually end up causing the next ice age. Like you said, it sounds ridiculous because it is so counter-intuitive, but there is science behind the claim.

[SuspectCorner]

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...s-1663430.html

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marb...rming-skeptics

http://www.factcheck.org/article395.html

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by masomenos85

That sounds like an interesting book, I'll have to see if I can pick it up.

I've heard something similar to what you were talking about though. It was along the lines of global warming would actually end up causing the next ice age. Like you said, it sounds ridiculous because it is so counter-intuitive, but there is science behind the claim.

I read it very quickly because I was enjoying it so much. He also discusses the physics behind energy and why oil works as well as it does. But, of course, oil is not renewable so he also talks about other solutions and why some of them are very good ideas and other just aren't practical. Considering the entire book deals with political hot button issues, I think he does a great job giving a level headed and fair approach.

He has written a series of these books, but I think some were in the form of college texts. The one I read which was intended for the general public was

http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Future...78476&sr= 8-1

[burmafrd]

Its always a good idea to go back as far as possible to see where the data came from. Now for sites of course like Daily Kos and Mother Jones and Fact check that is pretty worthless but otherwise.....

[ScipioCowboy]

As I've been told repeatedly, according to the modern conventions and forms of science, a theory or premise must be falsifiable in order to be scientifically valid. In other words, a theory is only considered scientific if it can be disproved through a doable experiment.

Thus far, I have yet to hear any proponent of global warming explain how it can be falsified.

When evidence arises that might disprove global warming, its proponents always find a way to incorporate it into the general theory. Consequently...

...when temperatures increase, it's because of global warming.

...when temperatures decrease, it's because of global warming.

...when ice increases, it's because of global warming.

....when ice decreases, it's because of global warming.

In essence, no matter what occurs, it's because of global warming.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy

As I've been told repeatedly, according to the modern conventions and forms of science, a theory or premise must be falsifiable in order to be scientifically valid. In other words, a theory is only considered scientific if it can be disproved through a doable experiment.

Thus far, I have yet to hear any proponent of global warming explain how it can be falsified.

When evidence arises that might disprove global warming, its proponents always find a way to incorporate it into the general theory. Consequently...

...when temperatures increase, it's because of global warming.

...when temperatures decrease, it's because of global warming.

...when ice increases, it's because of global warming.

....when ice decreases, it's because of global warming.

In essence, no matter what occurs, it's because of global warming.

That's why it's called "climate change", the idea of "global warming" went out the window a long time ago. People against the idea of climate change just keep going back to that term because everytime the weather gets cold, they can declare the entire ideology is BS.

I personally do not know if it's true or false, I'm not willing to disregard either side of the argument but it is commonly recognized that the climate is indeed changing. The ONLY real argument is between those that say it's man made or a part of the natural cycle, and then there are those that say the answer lays somewhere in the middle.

[Rogah]

Originally Posted by TheCount

That's why it's called "climate change", the idea of "global warming" went out the window a long time ago.

Exactly..!! When boatloads of evidence came in to show global warming was not taking place at the levels that were predicted, they had to come up with a new term

[ScipioCowboy]

Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy

Thus far, I have yet to hear any proponent of global warming explain how it can be falsified.

When evidence arises that might disprove global warming, its proponents always find a way to incorporate it into the general theory.

Originally Posted by TheCount

That's why it's called "climate change", the idea of "global warming" went out the window a long time ago.

You just made my case for me.

Climate change will occur regardless of whether or not mankind is here. Again, I ask the same question: How can global warming (i.e. climate change) be falsified?