Consensus: Who are the best at their position? - Dallas Cowboys Forum

nathanlt · 01-05-2005

I want to compile an averaged list of the top college players where Dallas needs help.
So, if you can, list the top 3 teachable players for each of the profiles. No head cases at all similar to Ross or Bryant. Any or all of the following, and roughly where they rank among the top 100 players.

3 Big DT's that complement Glover.
3 Ballhawk safeties that complement Roy Williams.
3 Corners that... uh.... cover.
3 Speed WR's or game changing WR's
3 pass rushing DE's
3 OT's
3 Guards
2 Change of Pace RB's (ala Alstott)
3 ILB/OLB's We all know Derrick Johnson is #1
1 Your top QB if we go that route, assume that Leinert is gone.

Verdict · 01-05-2005

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Originally Posted by nathanlt

I want to compile an averaged list of the top college players where Dallas needs help.
So, if you can, list the top 3 teachable players for each of the profiles. No head cases at all similar to Ross or Bryant. Any or all of the following, and roughly where they rank among the top 100 players.

3 Big DT's that complement Glover.
3 Ballhawk safeties that complement Roy Williams.
3 Corners that... uh.... cover.
3 Speed WR's or game changing WR's
3 pass rushing DE's
3 OT's
3 Guards
2 Change of Pace RB's (ala Alstott)
3 ILB/OLB's We all know Derrick Johnson is #1
1 Your top QB if we go that route, assume that Leinert is gone.

Could you clarify what you mean by teachable? I guess I dont understand your context. Thanks.

nathanlt · 01-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Verdict

Could you clarify what you mean by teachable? I guess I dont understand your context. Thanks.

Teachable means they don't have a hint of off the field problems, and could mesh with Parcells. Ross and Bryant are examples of players that don't mesh with Parcells.

nathanlt · 01-05-2005

Here's my list........
3 Big DT's that complement Glover.
#1 Haloti Ngata#12
#2 Rodrique Wright#20
#3 Antajj Hawthorne#28
3 Ballhawk safeties that complement Roy Williams.
#1 Josh Bullocks#39
#2 James Butler#43
#3 Michael Huff#55
3 Corners that... uh.... cover.
#1 Pac Man Jones#32
#2 Justin Miller#36
#3 Antonio Perkins#57
3 game changing WR's
#1 Braylon Edwards #4
#2 Mike Williams#6
#3 Mark Clayton#14
3 Speed WR's
#1 Craphonso Thorpe#43
#2 Troy Williamson #59
#3 Roddy White#89
3 pass rushing DE's
#1 Justin Tuck#16
#2 Mathias Kiwanuka #18
#3 David Pollack# 35
3 OT's
#1 Dbrickshaw Ferguson #9
#2 Marcus McNeill#19
#3 Adam Terry#51 TALL! Julius will disappear behind him.
3 Guards
#1 David Baas#50
#2 Marcus Johnson#54
#3 Dan Beunning#61
2 Change of Pace RB's (ala Alstott)
RB's Erick Shelton, Brandon Jacobs, FB's Maneul White, Keith Joseph
3 ILB/OLB's We all know Derrick Johnson is #1
#2Ahmad Brooks#8
#3 Channing Crowder#21
1 Your top QB if we go that route, assume that Leinert is gone
Alex Smith, IF Dallas goes that way.

Champsheart · 01-05-2005

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Originally Posted by nathanlt

I want to compile an averaged list of the top college players where Dallas needs help.
So, if you can, list the top 3 teachable players for each of the profiles. No head cases at all similar to Ross or Bryant. Any or all of the following, and roughly where they rank among the top 100 players.

3 Big DT's that complement Glover.
3 Ballhawk safeties that complement Roy Williams.
3 Corners that... uh.... cover.
3 Speed WR's or game changing WR's
3 pass rushing DE's
3 OT's
3 Guards
2 Change of Pace RB's (ala Alstott)
3 ILB/OLB's We all know Derrick Johnson is #1
1 Your top QB if we go that route, assume that Leinert is gone.

DT - Ngnata(sp) - Gabe Watson - A. Hawthorne

Saftey's - not sure here. I just do not think there are many FS prospects, but there are some good Strong Safties. I probably like Jimmy Williams the best at FS, but he has not declared, I do not like Brodney Pool though.

Corners - A. Rolle - Pac-Man Jones - C. Rogers

WR - No questions - M. Williams - B. Edwards - M. Clayton.

DE's - E. James - Kiwi - M. Spears

OT's - I will leave to the others. I would only be going off what others say. I do not pay much attention to line play when watching College ball.

Guards - see tackles.

Change of Pace RB's - Ronnie Brown - Cedric Benson are definetly different styles and more bruisers. I do not know if you are looking for later round prospects though.

LBers - D. Johnson - A. Brooks - D. Blackstock

QB - I like Alex Smith, and Jason Campbell. I am intrigued by the kid out of Conneticut, but just have never seen him play.

nathanlt · 01-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Champsheart

DT - Ngnata(sp) - Gabe Watson - A. Hawthorne

Saftey's - not sure here. I just do not think there are many FS prospects, but there are some good Strong Safties. I probably like Jimmy Williams the best at FS, but he has not declared, I do not like Brodney Pool though.

Corners - A. Rolle - Pac-Man Jones - C. Rogers

WR - No questions - M. Williams - B. Edwards - M. Clayton.

DE's - E. James - Kiwi - M. Spears

OT's - I will leave to the others. I would only be going off what others say. I do not pay much attention to line play when watching College ball.

Guards - see tackles.

Change of Pace RB's - Ronnie Brown - Cedric Benson are definetly different styles and more bruisers. I do not know if you are looking for later round prospects though.

LBers - D. Johnson - A. Brooks - D. Blackstock

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I'll add your info to the lists, thanks for looking at those things.
I know Rolle is a great player, but I think his attitude might conflict with Parcells a bit. I also doubt if Parcells will draft a corner with the first draft pick. Also, the backs I was looking at were hopefully Alstott clones, or at least the possibility of developing into one. Anyway, your list looks good!

What info do you have on Gabe Watson or D Blackstock?

zagnut · 01-05-2005

Big DT
1 Haloti Ngata, Oregon
2 Gabe Watson, Michigan
3 Marcus Spears, LSU

Free Safety
1 Jimmy Williams, Virginia Tech
2 James Butler, Georgia Tech
3 Josh Bullocks, Nebraska

CB
1 Carlos Rogers, Auburn
2 Justin Miller, Clemson
3 Adam Jones, West Virginia

Game changing WR's
1 Mike Williams, USC
2 Braylon Edwards, Michigan
3 Vincent Jackson, Northern Colorado

Speed WR (They don't change games?)
1 Roddy White, UAB
2 Craphonso Thorpe, Florida St
3 Airese Currie, Clemson

Pass rushing DE's
1 Erasmus James, Wisconsin
2 Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
3 Shawne Merriman, Maryland

OT's
1 Alex Barron, Florida St
2 Marcus McNeill, Auburn
3 Eric Winston, Miami

Guards
1 Elton Brown, Virginia
2 David Bass, Michigan (#1 Center)
3 CJ Brooks, Maryland

All Around Back (ala Westbrook)
1 Ronnie Brown, Auburn
2 Darren Sproles, Kansas St
3 Walter Reyes, Syracuse

OLB
1 Derrick Johnson, Texas
2 Shawne Merriman, Maryland
3 Ahmad Brooks, Virginia

ILB
1 Kirk Morrison, San Diego St
2 Ahmad Brooks, Virginia
3 Channing Crowder, Florida

QB (God help us)
1 Alex Smith, Utah
2 Jason Campbell, Auburn
3 Charlie Frye, Akron

nathanlt · 01-15-2005

bumping this, it's a good discussion for what Dallas needs, and who can fit the bill. Of course, some changes will need to be made based on who's declaring and who's not.