Boom or Bust in 04: Joey Harringon and David Carr

[InmanRoshi]

Just using our own standard of what we expect from a QB, Joey Harrington and David Carr better have good years in 2004, or else they will have to be considered busts. This will both be their 3rd year in the league, and all three have had multiple years in the same offense. Carr has played in this offense and offensive coordinator every snap of his career. Harrington has changed offensive coordinators, this will be his 2nd year with Mariucci, but he's played in the WCO all three years under both Mariucci and Mornhinweg. Both teams have loaded every single one of their starting skill positions up with either a 1st round pick or a rookie of the year award winner. Both of them have worse career completion percentages than Quincy who some claim is unforgivingly inaccurate. (QC = 56%, Carr = 54%, Harrington = 53%), and both of them have worse career QB ratings than Quincy's supposedly appalling 70 (Carr=65, Harrington=62) . It seems both of them are every bit as prone to the "bonehead play" as Quincy, considering they both have supremely bad TD:INT ratios. Carr has 18 TD's with 28 INT's. Harrington has had such a difficult time with "bonehead plays" he's managed to throw more INT's in 2 years than Quincy has thrown in 3 (29:38).

If you were the GM of the Lions or Texans, would you start looking for a veteran QB to replace Carr and Harrington if they didn't have a better than bad year (which using the new Cowboy standard of a poor year, they would have to have a positive TD:INT ratio, a 80+ QB rating, more than 3500 yards and taking their teams deep into the playoffs .. to have anything more than bad years).

[jamez25]

Harrington and Carr are both busts...there O-Lines stink and there is no way they will be able to last 10 games let alone 16.

[Little Jr]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Just using our own standard of what we expect from a QB, Joey Harrington and David Carr better have good years in 2004, or else they will have to be considered busts. This will both be their 3rd year in the league, and all three have had multiple years in the same offense. Carr has played in this offense and offensive coordinator every snap of his career. Harrington has changed offensive coordinators, this will be his 2nd year with Mariucci, but he's played in the WCO all three years under both Mariucci and Mornhinweg. Both teams have loaded every single one of their starting skill positions up with either a 1st round pick or a rookie of the year award winner. Both of them have worse career completion percentages than Quincy who some claim is unforgivingly inaccurate. (QC = 56%, Carr = 54%, Harrington = 53%), and both of them have worse career QB ratings than Quincy's supposedly appalling 70 (Carr=65, Harrington=62) . It seems both of them are every bit as prone to [View Full Quote]the "bonehead play" as Quincy, considering they both have supremely bad TD:INT ratios. Carr has 18 TD's with 28 INT's. Harrington has had such a difficult time with "bonehead plays" he's managed to throw more INT's in 2 years than Quincy has thrown in 3 (29:38).

If you were the GM of the Lions or Texans, would you start looking for a veteran QB to replace Carr and Harrington if they didn't have a better than bad year (which using the new Cowboy standard of a poor year, they would have to have a positive TD:INT ratio, a 80+ QB rating, more than 3500 yards and taking their teams deep into the playoffs .. to have anything more than bad years).

I agree. I think Carr will get 1 more year since the Texans are an expansion team. But he still needs to show improvement.

[twa]

Originally Posted by jamez25

Harrington and Carr are both busts...there O-Lines stink and there is no way they will be able to last 10 games let alone 16.

Your dead on about O lines until that is fixed they will struggle.Bythe way Ihave high hopes for continued improvement for ours.

[jay cee]

Originally Posted by jamez25

Harrington and Carr are both busts...there O-Lines stink and there is no way they will be able to last 10 games let alone 16.

excellent points Inman.....and Jamez25 congratulations on that future wife. If I'm Lima, I'd borrow a line from Charleton Heston......"You'll get those away from me when You pry them from my cold dead hands."

[InmanRoshi]

They really don't have the excuse of OL this year. Texans shelled out a $10 million dollar signing bonus to get Carr a LT in free agency. The Lions did the same to shore the middle of the OL with Damien Woody. To pair with Woody, the Lions have 2 1st round offensive tackles in Backus and McDougle, and a former 2nd round pick in Dominac Riaola to play C.


I've been told that a franchise QB raises the play of his teammates, so if the Lions and Texans have such a bad OL, it has to be Carr and Harrington's fault for not elevating them.

[jamez25]

Originally Posted by jay cee

excellent points Inman.....and Jamez25 congratulations on that future wife. If I'm Lima, I'd borrow a line from Charleton Heston......"You'll get those away from me when You pry them from my cold dead hands."

lmao.... oh I will , I will... it is my destiny.

[TheHustler]

Originally Posted by Little Jr

I agree. I think Carr will get 1 more year since the Texans are an expansion team. But he still needs to show improvement.

the texans are committed to him. if this was a boom or bust year for him, they wouldnt have traded henson away

[LeonDixson]

Oh, yea! Our QB isn't the worst in the league!! That's what I want, baby!!

Of course they will be considered busts if they don't show something very soon.

[AJM1613]

Carr can play, he will be around for a while. Harrington struggles and should be labeled a bust after this year, cosidering how much the Lions put into that offense. Rogers, Jones, and Williams are all 1st round picks (Rogers and Williams are top 10) and, as stated a little eariler in this post, they brought in Woody for their line.

The year they came out (I think this was the year Henson was coming out), was a bad year for QBs.

[ghettogandhi]

have you guys lost your minds- these were both top 3 picks in the draft playing on an expansion team and what could be called the worst team of the last three years. Both of these qbs have strong arms, are mobile and are by all accounts fierce competitors and leaders. Drew is the only QB on our team with a comparable upside or potential.

Please lets make realistic assesments of talent- you cannot simply go off of statistics to help prove your point- especially with the qb position.....if that was the case then Peyton Manning two years ago-when he had over 25 ints- should have been on the "hot seat".

[big dog cowboy]

I can't explain it, but I think both will make an above average QB in the league. Much has to happen before they can win a Superbowl, but remember that some guy named Dilfer won it a few years ago.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by ghettogandhi

have you guys lost your minds- these were both top 3 picks in the draft playing on an expansion team and what could be called the worst team of the last three years. Both of these qbs have strong arms, are mobile and are by all accounts fierce competitors and leaders. Drew is the only QB on our team with a comparable upside or potential.

Please lets make realistic assesments of talent- you cannot simply go off of statistics to help prove your point- especially with the qb position.....if that was the case then Peyton Manning two years ago-when he had over 25 ints- should have been on the "hot seat".

I am really glad someone besides me took this bullet. Thank you Ghetto.

[RCowboyFan]

Originally Posted by ghettogandhi

have you guys lost your minds- these were both top 3 picks in the draft playing on an expansion team and what could be called the worst team of the last three years. Both of these qbs have strong arms, are mobile and are by all accounts fierce competitors and leaders. Drew is the only QB on our team with a comparable upside or potential.

Please lets make realistic assesments of talent- you cannot simply go off of statistics to help prove your point- especially with the qb position.....if that was the case then Peyton Manning two years ago-when he had over 25 ints- should have been on the "hot seat".

Ironic thing is, most of the Quincy fans will be up in arms about going with just Stats. But will easily point at stats when its other teams QBs.

First of all if anyone has seen Lions last year, ought to know, their WRs were worst in the league. RBs also were even worse than Hambone seems like. All together, Lions led the league in dropped passes last year. How the heck is Harrington going to succeed with that?

Now Harrington, barring injuries, will have excellent Offensive weapons. Its not just me, but even Troy said when he did one of their games, that Harrington will be a star if he has enough weapons.

Carr, I am not too sure. I dont think Carr will be more than above Average QB. He had weapons last year, more than Harrington had anyway, but still wasn't that great. Although, you can't compare Houston texans team with Cowboys in terms of talent yet.

Anyway, I expect Harrington to have breakout year, as long as the team is fairly injury free. Lions are the worst team in terms of injury last 4 or 5 years, so I have doubts if that will change this year. Its as bad as Cowboys were in terms of injuries during 2000-2002 seasons.

[ravidubey]

Harrington is already a bust.