Audio: What the heck is Jesse Holley talking about?

[BraveHeartFan]

Originally Posted by

There is no viable comparison.

Even the guy who tried to compare it from ESPN admitted that the QB and the defense were not comparable.

So throwing out those two huge variables it's the same team, lol.

That team was steadily becoming great game by game. They had three young starters who were becoming the best, or top three, at their respective positions in the game.

They also had a new owner and a coach who came from college.

This current team has been up and down over the last three seasons. Their brain trust has been at this for a long time now.

Just look to their peers.

In 1992 people, meaning the NFL world, had a sense the Cowboys were stumblng upon something that could become a dynasty.

When the 2010 NFL season begins the rest of the NFL won't be feeling this way about the Cowboys.

And nor should they.

I agree to some extent and disagree to another.

Number one as I recall many at that time thought Dallas might still be a year or two away (Michael Irvin even mentions that fact on the Americas Game DVD for the 1992 season) because there were still some questions about Troy Aikman. Some big ones actually.

1. Could he stay healthy for a full season
2. Was he going to get to the point where they hoped he would with consistent play
3. Would he ever win a playoff game, let alone a Superbowl


People were still wondering if he would stay healthy long enough to lead a team all the way to the Superbowl because, as you'll recall, the run they went on to get into the playoffs in 1991 was without Troy Aikman on the field. That fueled some folks to wonder about Aikman at the time.

The other thing about that same run, that raised questions, was that with Troy in there in 1991 I believe the Cowboys were 6-5, prior to his injury, and then with Steve went on that 5 game run to finish 11-5. I believe thats how it shook out that year, my memory is some what fuzzy on how many Steve won in a row as a starter but I was pretty sure it was 4 or 5 in a row to get into the playoffs.

Then of course that doesn't even account for the fact that the playoff game we won was with Steve starting and not Troy. So it's not like the whole NFL was sitting there saying "Wow these guys just might start kicking people's butts now" cause there were still plenty of questions about our most key position.


I do agree that the teams are certainly not he same, by any means, but there is some interesting parallels that could be discussed and wondered about.

To me one of the biggest reasons it doesn't fit exactly isn't about the 1992 team and what they had at all. I'd say, right now, that there are less questions about Romo going into 2010 then there were about Troy going into 1992.

Now I'm not talking about questions about physical talent cause everyone could see that Troy Aikman was no doubt talented, even in his struggles, and physically he's far superior gifted to Romo and always will be. He clearly had the more accurate passing ability as well. He's probably the most accurate passer I've ever seen. Just brililant in that way.


But the question they had on Troy going into that 1992 season you don't have about Romo here.

1. Will he stay healthy? Romo doesn't have to worry about that question cause he's already proven to be darn durable at this point as the starter. Doesn't mean he can't, or won't, get hurt but that won't be a topic of discussion or concern.

2. Will he continue to improve and be consistent in his play through out the season? Romo has proven over the last few years as the starter that he indeed will improve and can consistently be one of the better QBs in the league from week to week. So he's got that behind him.

3. Will he win in the playoffs? He's already done it. Romo has a playoff win under his belt. At that point, in comparing the two different eras and such, Troy did not.

Aikman came through in 1992 in spectacular fashion. Answered all the questions and put to rest any doubt about himself.

Now we need Romo to come through with the same spectacular fashion, and for Romo there won't be the same kind of pressure on him cause he's answered many of his questions, now the pressure for him will be going further in the playoffs.

People won't be talking about Romo getting his first playoff win anymore. Now it's going to be about getting multiple wins. For Troy he was still seeking number one.


At the end of the day, however, it doesn't matter either way cause even if Dallas goes on and wins the Superbowl this year the likely hood, with the way the NFL is now, that it will bring about another 3 Superbowls in 4 year span, or some dynasty like that, aren't real favorable.

But there are some interesting parallels between those seasons.

[Silver N Blue]

Originally Posted by dadymat

as soon as idiot fans quit making comments like "we need a Darren Woodson type safety" or " Tony will never be as good as Aikman" or "if Jimmy were coaching we would still be winning super bowls"

So now I am an idiot fan...forgive me for saying this team has had similar results to previous cowboys teams..i do not believe I have never talked about players...even if I was comparing players, which I have not, that is ok to do as well, you do realize players as well as teams can be compared..it does not mean teams or the player or team being compared to each other will have the same results, during the draft players being drafted are compared to players in the NFL...even recent dynasties such as the Patriots was and is compared to the cowboys of the 90's...to say this team as a whole has similarities to the 91 team is a correct and factual statement...now does that mean this team will have the same success...no...does it make you an idiot to compare the two..no...

[Future]

Who cares...it's Jesse Holley.

[newera]

Why is it so bad to say that this team compares to the 91 team? If we are comparing singular seasons, and specifically the end of the season, then i dont see why everyone gets all pissed off about the comparison.

What I do see, is posters refuting the comparison of the two singular season by trying to compare what happened the season(s) after 91 to what they believe is going to happen the seasons after the 09 season. If you took this same board and allowed them to travel back to a few weeks after the playoff loss in the 91 season, i think that we would find that we mood on the board would be very comparable.

If you do want to try to compare this season as far as a precursor to bigger things: No one knew that we were going to do what we did after 91, just like no one truly knows what is going to happen in the next few years now. I don't think that is very probable that we have another run like we did in the 90's (there aren't many like it), but I'd like to let the seasons play out before we decide that is completely unreasonable to think that we have a very good chance of winning a championship in the upcoming years.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by newera

If you took this same board and allowed them to travel back to a few weeks after the playoff loss in the 91 season, i think that we would find that we mood on the board would be very comparable.

I can't speak to that, but I know how I personally felt after 1991. I was cautiously optimistic. I also recognized that the team was full of serious holes. What I see out of some people now is the assumption that takes it a step further that since there are some similiarities and what appears to be fewer holes, that we are destined to repeat the past. I mean, people even link the Viking and Lion blowouts. It is patently silly.

The past is the past. Different era, head coach and even organization. That is what makes people "pissed off".

It is not an innocent analogy. It is used to provide additional hope and suggest some sort of validation that this team can't take a step backwards next season. I find it completely unnecessary. If you feel as you say you do, then let the games play out and don't participate in the dreaming. I'll start creating expectations for the future when we demonstrate what happened last year carries forward.

[DaBoys4Life]

Jesse Holley is an idiot I couldn't listen to the whole thing.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by Future

Who cares...it's Jesse Holley.

It's a joke that he's even on the practice squad... An embarrassing little remnant of Bad Jerry.

[MrMom]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

It's a joke that he's even on the practice squad... An embarrassing little remnant of Bad Jerry.

On the nose.

[CoCo]

Originally Posted by Hostile

All analogies upset someone if they don't come up with it. Analogies must be exact same circumstances or narrow minds cannot grasp the significance.

Ok, I'll be kinder than "narrow minds." But the rest of this is right on the money. Its astounding to me how offended some people get when an analogy is used.

I get the comparison of 2009 to 1991. Its about a team learning to take the next step. It does not mean everything else is parallel too, either currently or in the future. Take it for what it is and don't have an aneurysm over it folks.

[arglebargle]

My biggest beef with this particular trope is that in '91 there was no salary cap and attendant rules. Even the sainted Jimmy Johnson wasn't the same once he had to deal with salary cap issues.

That said, it's an analogy. We're lucky if the 'sportswriters' know what that means.....

[Silver N Blue]

I get the comparison of 2009 to 1991. Its about a team learning to take the next step. It does not mean everything else is parallel too, either currently or in the future. Take it for what it is and don't have an aneurysm over it folks.[/quote]

This is exactly it for me and nothing more. Does this team have holes..well depends on where Wade is standing...ok not funny...my point is for me..I feel this team took another step towards the ultimate goal...will they achieve it...who knows...will THIS TEAM compare to 90's...for me never....no matter how far they go...I just feel this team became a team this year..hopefully for the entire organization and fan base they will be hosting a trophy in the next three years before we begin another dreaded rebuilding stage...

[CoCo]

Originally Posted by Silver N Blue

I get the comparison of 2009 to 1991. Its about a team learning to take the next step. It does not mean everything else is parallel too, either currently or in the future. Take it for what it is and don't have an aneurysm over it folks.

This is exactly it for me and nothing more. Does this team have holes..well depends on where Wade is standing...ok not funny...my point is for me..I feel this team took another step towards the ultimate goal...will they achieve it...who knows...will THIS TEAM compare to 90's...for me never....no matter how far they go...I just feel this team became a team this year..hopefully for the entire organization and fan base they will be hosting a trophy in the next three years before we begin another dreaded rebuilding stage...[/quote]

uh, uh, uh, that's reloading, not rebuilding.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by CoCo

Ok, I'll be kinder than "narrow minds." But the rest of this is right on the money. Its astounding to me how offended some people get when an analogy is used.

I get the comparison of 2009 to 1991. Its about a team learning to take the next step. It does not mean everything else is parallel too, either currently or in the future. Take it for what it is and don't have an aneurysm over it folks.

I am a nice guy, but from time to time I feel the need to be a little hostile and live up to my username. Frustration over fans who enjoy nothing more than putting down their fellow Cowboys fans will often fuel that in me. Thus "narrow minds."

I was an English Major. My training is to look for allusions to other things, metaphors, similes and yes, analogies. I can see similarities in many things that are not exactly alike. It annoys the bloody hell out of me that people get so bent out of shape over every little detail of an analogy.

An analogy does NOT mean every single detail is exactly a like. That is called a repetition of History. An analogy means there are similar factors going on. It doesn't even mean the exact same outcomes will happen. My gosh, let's get our panties in a wad and up in arms over a 1991 to 2009 comparison. Judas Priest spare me the damned drama.

It is fine to psychoanalyze every iota of the football team and make diagnoses and determinations and predict fate. But damnit to hell, don't ever compare this team (or this player) to any other team (or player) in NFL History. Utterly damned ridiculous, or as I previously lambasted, "narrow minded."

If my previous use of "narrow minded" offended anyone, oh well. They probably were being exactly that. It seems to be rather common and accepted.

[CowboyMike]

I know it's pretty surprising that a player wouldn't know that Colombo did not move to left tackle and that Doug Free filled in there, but I'm actually not.

During the course of a game, from experience, it is easy for a player to concentrate on his responsibilities and nothing else. When you're standing on the sidelines sometimes it's difficult to see who is playing what on the o-line and he was probably paying attention more to coverages and the WRs. I don't really blame him for not know.

It sort of falls into the "why does Romo play golf and not practice and study 24/7 in the offseason?" It's not quite that, but it in the area.

[dadymat]

Originally Posted by Silver N Blue

So now I am an idiot fan...forgive me for saying this team has had similar results to previous cowboys teams..i do not believe I have never talked about players...even if I was comparing players, which I have not, that is ok to do as well, you do realize players as well as teams can be compared..it does not mean teams or the player or team being compared to each other will have the same results, during the draft players being drafted are compared to players in the NFL...even recent dynasties such as the Patriots was and is compared to the cowboys of the 90's...to say this team as a whole has similarities to the 91 team is a correct and factual statement...now does that mean this team will have the same success...no...does it make you an idiot to compare the two..no...

im sure im not the first who has told you so...........J/K