Hutch's is getting better, but.....

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Hostile

There are two things that have happened since Hutch was assigned to Europe that make me think you have a point. I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but such is life.

First thing was Jerry going to Orlando after we signed Henson. We were right in the prime time to prepare for the draft and Jerry is a hands on guy at that. He went to orlando to assure Hutch he was still in the team's plans. Why do that if he's out the door? If I were running a team and planned to 86 him I wouldn't fly my private plane to the next county to see him.

[View Full Quote]Second thing is them sending David Lee all the way to Europe to check on him. That isn't cheap. If he's no longer in the plans why not just wash your hands and be done with him? I don't see any QB throwing for 500 yards per game over there. AdamJT13 has watched every game and has reported different results than what the stats are saying. Things like the INT going through the WRs hands before it was picked off. Things like him having a really poor o-line in front of him.

The team is investing an awful lot of attention in a player a lot of people are convinced is dead weight. Are we so sure the team is convinced he is? I am not a fan of this kid at all, but the math isn't adding up to the conclusions everyone is getting. Oh well, attack away.

I agree. I think Hutch will be in camp in large part because we get the extra roster spot because Hutch was in NFL Europe. I think Hutch will be given a chance and if he fails in training camp of impressing the coaches then I think he could be gone.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I agree. I think Hutch will be in camp in large part because we get the extra roster spot because Hutch was in NFL Europe. I think Hutch will be given a chance and if he fails in training camp of impressing the coaches then I think he could be gone.

You know, that's a 3rd reason why that I hadn't even considered yet. Thanks.

[Jimz31]

Hos, enough with the "attack away" already. It's a message board and people on both sides are going to get flamed at one point or another. I've finally realized that and am not going to let it bug me.

How about if everytime that I posted something about a QB, Quincy or not, I just put "OK, attack away." at the end of it?

I don't mean to ccome down on you or anything, but you are warning people because of their handles and everything. You have taken a totally different approach than what we have previously discussed.

I was flamed for saying that Hutch shouldn't be thrown in there.....turns out I was right.

I was flamed for saying that T-Ham wouldn't ever turn out to be anything......turns out I was right.

It's just the way it is unfortunately.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

Hos, enough with the "attack away" already. It's a message board and people on both sides are going to get flamed at one point or another. I've finally realized that and am not going to let it bug me.

How about if everytime that I posted something about a QB, Quincy or not, I just put "OK, attack away." at the end of it?

I don't mean to ccome down on you or anything, but you are warning people because of their handles and everything. You have taken a totally different approach than what we have previousloy discussed.

You're right I have. On purpose too. It is interesting to me how many people have PMed me or told me in chat that they notice it too. Most of them have appreciated it. Just food for thought.

[Jimz31]

Originally Posted by Hostile

You're right I have. On purpose too. It is interesting to me how many people have PMed me or told me in chat that they notice it too. Most of them have appreciated it. Just food for thought.

I guess it would depend on the type of people that are responding to you. If those responding to this are the offenders on the other side of the issue, then you may have a point, however, since I'm not one of them, I guess I could say that you would be contributing to the problem.....something I thought that you didn't want to do.

I guess I can forget about trying to clean the board up when it gets out of hand since not even you are committed to that anymore, evidently. Just food for thought.

[RCowboyFan]

Originally Posted by Hostile

There are two things that have happened since Hutch was assigned to Europe that make me think you have a point. I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but such is life.

First thing was Jerry going to Orlando after we signed Henson. We were right in the prime time to prepare for the draft and Jerry is a hands on guy at that. He went to orlando to assure Hutch he was still in the team's plans. Why do that if he's out the door? If I were running a team and planned to 86 him I wouldn't fly my private plane to the next county to see him.

[View Full Quote]Second thing is them sending David Lee all the way to Europe to check on him. That isn't cheap. If he's no longer in the plans why not just wash your hands and be done with him? I don't see any QB throwing for 500 yards per game over there. AdamJT13 has watched every game and has reported different results than what the stats are saying. Things like the INT going through the WRs hands before it was picked off. Things like him having a really poor o-line in front of him.

The team is investing an awful lot of attention in a player a lot of people are convinced is dead weight. Are we so sure the team is convinced he is? I am not a fan of this kid at all, but the math isn't adding up to the conclusions everyone is getting. Oh well, attack away.

I have seen every game and pretty much every throw almost that Hutch made in Europe.

The funny thing about yesterday's game is, David Rivers had a similar fumble to what Hutch had. But Rivers somehow was able to pick the ball himself and run with it.

And the Int was right threw the hands of WR, Quinie, I think his name is, who dropped another one similar. YOu cannot call those throws tough catch, if it is a NFL caliber Reciever.

And on top of it seems like Hutch has his own no. 79 false starting at least couple of times a game

Past couple of games, Hutch has been better at getting rid of the ball quicker, from what I noticed, perhaps David Lee's influence? He does have better pocket presense, than what we saw last of him Dallas.

As far as other issues are concerned, I thought from the minute he was alloted to NFLE, and Tony wasn't, that his days in Dallas are numbered. Maybe I am wrong, but does seem like Chad gets that feeling ( although he is somewhat like Quincy, in that he feels threatened by competition etc., one of the reasons, I dont like him that much now).

I do think, that BP/Jerry are keeping an open mind about Chad now though. I didn't think David Lee would be send there, after signing Henson. Personally, one more season, with a decent team win NFLE would do Chad a lot of good. Seems like HC in Europe loves Chada though. Too bad he doesn't coach in regular NFL, we woudl have got nice pick for him

[Hollywood Henderson]

We still need to remember that Hutch is our best passer right now, with Hensen 2nd, Romo and then last of course is Carter...

Parcells knows, as did Coslet that Carter has big liability's...He was choosen for mobility last year and that alone...

We need a passer to get where we all want to go!
Carter isn't a passer, never has been, never will be...

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by jdnalls

No. Hutch still sucks. He's playing in NFLE and still isn't even lighting up the league.

careful JD, thats very close to a "hating" violation

David

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by BlindFaith

This just cracks me up. According to you, Hutch should put up great numbers by throwing to scrubs and being protected by the worst oline in NFLE, but yet Quincy gets a pass because of the same excuses.

At least be consistant. Show some back bone and at least give Chad the same excuses for not playing well as you do for Quincy...even though Chad has put up two good back to back performances. Something that Quincy has yet to do.

good points!

David

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

I guess it would depend on the type of people that are responding to you. If those responding to this are the offenders on the other side of the issue, then you may have a point, however, since I'm not one of them, I guess I could say that you would be contributing to the problem.....something I thought that you didn't want to do.

I guess I can forget about trying to clean the board up when it gets out of hand since not even you are committed to that anymore, evidently. Just food for thought.

When I can say in two threads that I hope my daughters date guys who have good attitudes, work ethics, and character like Carter and still get flamed as a hater, you tell me how to react. By all means give me some advice that will make sense. I'm all in favor of it. Two people stood by my side when I got called a racist in front of this whole forum last week. Care to guess which side of the fence they sit on? One person who is a Carter fan that I respect very much, left me out to dry.

It has happened twice in the last 2 weeks that I get flamed for being critical of him after I praise him as a person Jim. Supposedly the criteria is that is fine to not be blown away by his inconsistent play just don't make it personal. I didn't make that criteria, his fans did. Out of curiosity when have I ever made it personal? When have I simply said he sucks? Or called him names? Or talked about his tongue? By all means point those things out to me.

So in two different threads I have begun by praising him as a person. Twice! Then I talk about not being enamored with his abilities. After saying I hope my daughters find boys of his character. Both times the results have been predictable. I have been flamed. Ask me if I am shocked.

He is the sacred cow. You simply love him or you keep your mouth shut about him. Those appear on the surface to be the rules. So, I decided to follow those rules.

I have started talking about other things regarding QB for this team. If I read articles on Carter I don't talk about him. Whether the article is good or bad. In a thread just this weekend I discussed the fairness of judging him against other QBs. I myself did not make a judgment. Still got accused of making one. He's just not worth the grief I take for expressing an opinion.

In another thread I called into question the motives of both sides of this fence and one of Carter's biggest fans got so angry at me that he has taken a moratorium on ever mentioning his name in here again. Because I saw fault on both sides of the fence and he was not one of the people I blamed. In fact I defended this particular poster. Imagine that, defending someone on the other side of the fence and still getting treated like crap.

FYI, the people who have commented in chat on this new tack have not been offenders. In fact, they purposely stay out of this subject because of the glass toes. As for the accusation I am contributing to the problem I can see your point. It sure is upsetting you. I have noticed the subtle digs at me lately. Stuff that wasn't there before.

However, if I had not said "attack away" I'll bet you a dime to donut that is exactly what would have happened. I'll purposely reverse my tack in the near future and say the same type of things and we shall see. You taking my bet? This ought to be real fun.

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by Hostile

There are two things that have happened since Hutch was assigned to Europe that make me think you have a point. I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but such is life.

First thing was Jerry going to Orlando after we signed Henson. We were right in the prime time to prepare for the draft and Jerry is a hands on guy at that. He went to orlando to assure Hutch he was still in the team's plans. Why do that if he's out the door? If I were running a team and planned to 86 him I wouldn't fly my private plane to the next county to see him.

[View Full Quote]Second thing is them sending David Lee all the way to Europe to check on him. That isn't cheap. If he's no longer in the plans why not just wash your hands and be done with him? I don't see any QB throwing for 500 yards per game over there. AdamJT13 has watched every game and has reported different results than what the stats are saying. Things like the INT going through the WRs hands before it was picked off. Things like him having a really poor o-line in front of him.

The team is investing an awful lot of attention in a player a lot of people are convinced is dead weight. Are we so sure the team is convinced he is? I am not a fan of this kid at all, but the math isn't adding up to the conclusions everyone is getting. Oh well, attack away.

couldnt agree more...I dont think he is definitely gone as many seem to think...I think barring a major injury or trade we just cant refuse, Hutch is going to camp with us

David

[Jimz31]

Originally Posted by RCowboyFan

I have seen every game and pretty much every throw almost that Hutch made in Europe.

The funny thing about yesterday's game is, David Rivers had a similar fumble to what Hutch had. But Rivers somehow was able to pick the ball himself and run with it.

And the Int was right threw the hands of WR, Quinie, I think his name is, who dropped another one similar. YOu cannot call those throws tough catch, if it is a NFL caliber Reciever.

And on top of it seems like Hutch has his own no. 79 false starting at least couple of times a game

Past couple of games, Hutch has been better at getting rid of the ball quicker, from what I noticed, perhaps David Lee's influence? He does have better pocket presense, than what we saw last of him Dallas.

[View Full Quote]As far as other issues are concerned, I thought from the minute he was alloted to NFLE, and Tony wasn't, that his days in Dallas are numbered. Maybe I am wrong, but does seem like Chad gets that feeling ( although he is somewhat like Quincy, in that he feels threatened by competition etc., one of the reasons, I dont like him that much now).

I do think, that BP/Jerry are keeping an open mind about Chad now though. I didn't think David Lee would be send there, after signing Henson. Personally, one more season, with a decent team win NFLE would do Chad a lot of good. Seems like HC in Europe loves Chada though. Too bad he doesn't coach in regular NFL, we woudl have got nice pick for him

I see alot being made about Carter not liking competition, and No, he didn't handle it well a couple of years ago.....but I wonder what some people think about Collins and his attitude with the Giants this year? Or how about the Redskins QB and his? And on and on..... we all act like Carter is somehow different in this respect. Some of the same people that didn't like Carter due to his attitude when competition was brought in are the same people that would like to see Collins here. I'm not so sure that he was upset about the competition being brought in as he was upset about what he was told compared to what he and anybody else with half a brain could see was happening.

But hey, that's just me.....go ahead....attack away.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by RCowboyFan

I have seen every game and pretty much every throw almost that Hutch made in Europe.

The funny thing about yesterday's game is, David Rivers had a similar fumble to what Hutch had. But Rivers somehow was able to pick the ball himself and run with it.

And the Int was right threw the hands of WR, Quinie, I think his name is, who dropped another one similar. YOu cannot call those throws tough catch, if it is a NFL caliber Reciever.

And on top of it seems like Hutch has his own no. 79 false starting at least couple of times a game

Past couple of games, Hutch has been better at getting rid of the ball quicker, from what I noticed, perhaps David Lee's influence? He does have better pocket presense, than what we saw last of him Dallas.

[View Full Quote]As far as other issues are concerned, I thought from the minute he was alloted to NFLE, and Tony wasn't, that his days in Dallas are numbered. Maybe I am wrong, but does seem like Chad gets that feeling ( although he is somewhat like Quincy, in that he feels threatened by competition etc., one of the reasons, I dont like him that much now).

I do think, that BP/Jerry are keeping an open mind about Chad now though. I didn't think David Lee would be send there, after signing Henson. Personally, one more season, with a decent team win NFLE would do Chad a lot of good. Seems like HC in Europe loves Chada though. Too bad he doesn't coach in regular NFL, we woudl have got nice pick for him

I am not sold on Hutchinson at all. However, unlike some I do not pretend to know what the team is thinking. JJT has his bags packed already. I'll believe it when I see it and if it happens I won't shed a tear.

Things just aren't adding up though. I am really interested in seeing how this thing plays out.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by dbair1967

couldnt agree more...I dont think he is definitely gone as many seem to think...I think barring a major injury or trade we just cant refuse, Hutch is going to camp with us

David

I intend to watch QB injuries really closely. Especially if we do sign a veteran to come in here for a short stint. We have 2 QBs who might generate some trade winds talk. You just never know.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Jimz31

I see alot being made about Carter not liking competition, and No, he didn't handle it well a couple of years ago.....but I wonder what some people think about Collins and his attitude with the Giants this year? Or how about the Redskins QB and his? And on and on..... we all act like Carter is somehow different in this respect. Some of the same people that didn't like Carter due to his attitude when competition was brought in are the same people that would like to see Collins here. I'm not so sure that he was upset about the competition being brought in as he was upset about what he was told compared to what he and anybody else with half a brain could see was happening.

But hey, that's just me.....go ahead....attack away.

It's a very valid assessment. Collins clearly was upset by the draft day trade for Manning. Same with Ramsey and the acquisition of Brunnell.

I submit to you that since we aren't fans of those particular teams that we don't know how angry their fans might have been at Collins or Ramsey for the same things some are angry at Carter for.

I'd further be willing to speculate that they don't care two whits about whether Carter is upset by the acquisition of Henson at all. If they thought he could help their team I bet that wouldn't be an issue at all.

So maybe this isn't really an anti-Carter thing as much as it is a common failing of all fans.