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Nors · 01-27-2005

# 93 Richard Seymour
Position: DE
Height: 6-6
Weight: 310
Born: 10/06/1979
College: Georgia
NFL Experience: 4

Career Stats | Game Logs: 01 02 03 04 | Situational Stats | Team Roster

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2001 New England Patriots 13 44 25.0 19 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2002 New England Patriots 16 56 33.0 23 5.5 1 6 6.0 6 0 2
2003 New England Patriots 15 57 34.0 23 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 8
2004 New England Patriots 15 39 24.0 15 5 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
TOTAL 59 196 116.0 80 21.5 1 6 6.0 6 0 11

I'm reading but Spears is not a high Sack count End. Neither is Seymour, he's averaged 5 in his career but is an All Pro. But they both are disruptive football players. Seymour a 310 pound DE - Spears is already over 300. Same player, same value - In A 3-4 DEFENSE.

We stick in 4-3 bring Dat Dude back and stoke up the small LB grill, more Al S, and Dex on the edges

junk · 01-27-2005

Seymour is effective in a 4-3 too.

Nors · 01-27-2005

Marcus Spears
DE, LSU
War Room analysis
Strengths: Is freakishly athletic with great agility and instincts. Shows great power as a pass rusher. Is versatile enough to play in a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme. Has the strength to push back offensive linemen. Once past blockers, shows impressive burst to the quarterback.

Weaknesses: Might not be fast enough to be a consistent edge pass rusher or strong enough to play inside. Must improve upon technique and ability to shed blockers.

Bottom line: Spears' athleticism will allow an NFL team to move him around. He can play end on running downs and tackle on passing downs. His production will improve with better technique and more experience. He should be selected in the latter part of Round 1 or early in Round 2.

Dan Pompei analysis
Is a big, athletic, agile end who could fit in a 3-4. Has good strength but doesn't always use it. Lacks polish and is somewhat inconsistent.

rw54 · 01-27-2005

I agree that Spears is what we are looking for. But I like him as a 4-3 tackle. Put him and Glover in there and we would have a good pass rush. Put him at end in a 3-4 and his athletic ability is wasted. I also like another one of your guys Anthony Bryant. I hate the 3-4 though. We seem to agree on the players, and that Zimmer must go, but not on the 3-4. I haven't seen your take on Justin Tuck?

Nors · 01-27-2005

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Originally Posted by rw54

I agree that Spears is what we are looking for. But I like him as a 4-3 tackle. Put him and Glover in there and we would have a good pass rush. Put him at end in a 3-4 and his athletic ability is wasted. I also like another one of your guys Anthony Bryant. I hate the 3-4 though. We seem to agree on the players, and that Zimmer must go, but not on the 3-4. I haven't seen your take on Justin Tuck?

Honestly have not watched much ND this season and his injury has me concerned. I'm not so high on Erasmus Jones. The DE/OLB that is starting to jump up my Board is Demarcus Ware. He's dominating OT's at the Senior Bowl. One play he bull rushed, grabbed the Tackle and body slammed him. For a supposed Tweener that made my antlers go up!

He is handling LB coverage. Up to 247 - He reminds me of Haley. I hope he drops to 4 for us but doubt it!

zagnut · 01-27-2005

Would love to get Spears, especially if we can get him with the later first. I'd be happy with Shaun Cody, either or, but Spears seems the more naturally strong player. It's hard to decide, but I definitely want to see us pay attention to the DL with some established guys from highly competitive conferences. NO Fort Valley State/McNeese State BS.

I thought Spears had 9 sacks this year. Pretty good sack numbers considering he was the focus of the OL attention. Has 4 career interceptions with 2 returned for TDs -- better than Newman!

He's a leader and does the dirty work. Makes others better. Would be a great DE in the 3-4 and is bigger than a lot of the 4-3 tackles in this year's draft.

Champsheart · 01-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Nors

Honestly have not watched much ND this season and his injury has me concerned. I'm not so high on Erasmus Jones. The DE/OLB that is starting to jump up my Board is Demarcus Ware. He's dominating OT's at the Senior Bowl. One play he bull rushed, grabbed the Tackle and body slammed him. For a supposed Tweener that made my antlers go up!

He is handling LB coverage. Up to 247 - He reminds me of Haley. I hope he drops to 4 for us but doubt it!

I am with you on this Ware kid, although I really want to see him in this game first before I totally pass judgement.
I know it was just practice, but he is the only guy that stood out to me in the televised practice session this week.
He looked quick, instinctive, and had good leverage.

No way he drops to 4. As a matter of fact it sounds as if he is jumping up everyone's board, and rumblings are he could go at the bottom of round 1, or top of round 2.

dbair1967 · 01-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Nors

# 93 Richard Seymour
Position: DE
Height: 6-6
Weight: 310
Born: 10/06/1979
College: Georgia
NFL Experience: 4

Career Stats | Game Logs: 01 02 03 04 | Situational Stats | Team Roster

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2001 New England Patriots 13 44 25.0 19 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2002 New England Patriots 16 56 33.0 23 5.5 1 6 6.0 6 0 2
2003 New England Patriots 15 57 34.0 23 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 8
2004 New England Patriots 15 39 24.0 15 5 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
TOTAL 59 196 116.0 80 21.5 1 6 6.0 6 0 11

I'm reading but Spears is not a high Sack count End. Neither is Seymour, he's averaged 5 in his career but is an All Pro. But they both are disruptive football players. Seymour a 310 pound DE - Spears is already over 300. Same player, same value - In A 3-4 DEFENSE.
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Spears is nowhere near as talented or as disruptive as Seymour Nors....

David

Rush 2112 · 01-28-2005

Based on what?

TDHND · 01-29-2005

As a huge ND fan I like Tuck a lot and was hoping he'd come back for his last year. He's ND's all-time career sack leader and they don't play week opponents,so that should tell you something. Yes he's been injured and has missed some games,but he should be back to full strength by now or close to it. He's a stud. Spears is tough as well. James missed some games this season too if I remember right.

Chocolate Lab · 01-29-2005

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Originally Posted by dbair1967

Spears is nowhere near as talented or as disruptive as Seymour Nors....

David

Totally agree... Spears will likely be a very solid pro and I'd take him on our team in a heartbeat, but he's not nearly as disruptive as Seymour.

"Freakishly athletic" is hardly the way I would describe Spears. Frankly, he looks like a good hold-the-fort 34 DE to me.

dbair1967 · 01-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Totally agree... Spears will likely be a very solid pro and I'd take him on our team in a heartbeat, but he's not nearly as disruptive as Seymour.

"Freakishly athletic" is hardly the way I would describe Spears. Frankly, he looks like a good hold-the-fort 34 DE to me.

I agree, I wouldnt go ape if we draft him at 20, but I havent seen anything from him that makes me think he is a "special" player...

David

Champsheart · 01-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Champsheart

I am with you on this Ware kid, although I really want to see him in this game first before I totally pass judgement.
I know it was just practice, but he is the only guy that stood out to me in the televised practice session this week.
He looked quick, instinctive, and had good leverage.

No way he drops to 4. As a matter of fact it sounds as if he is jumping up everyone's board, and rumblings are he could go at the bottom of round 1, or top of round 2.

Well, I said I would wait until the game to pass judgement, and Ware was a no show. In fairness to him though they played him at DE in a 4-3, and I think he definetly is a 3-4 Outside LBer. Still I was a little disappointed.

SuspectCorner · 01-29-2005

i think spears is gonna make a good pro. he's got the size and strength to excel at the next level. IMO, he'd fit either base defense. get this guy.

AdamJT13 · 01-29-2005

Seymour measured at 6-4 5/8, 301 pounds, coming out of college. Spears measured at 6-3 3/8, 302 pounds.

Seymour had 9.5 sacks, 34 tackles for loss and one interception in his career at Georgia. Spears had 19 sacks, 34.5 tackles for loss and four interceptions in his career at LSU.

Seymour wasn't a regular starter until his junior season. In his final two seasons, he had 5.5 sacks, 25 tackles for loss and one interception (in 21 games). Spears had 15 sacks, 30 tackles for loss and two interceptions (in 26 games).

The LSU Web site says Spears ran a 4.8 last spring. Seymour ran a 4.87.

So, the comparisons to Seymour might not be so far-fetched. Not that Spears definitely will be as good in the NFL as Seymour has been, but he does seem to be a comparable prospect coming out of college.