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We will get value at 11 and 20 as teams are drafting to needs, not talent!
1 1 WILLIAMS Mike WR USC z 6- 5.0 236 4.56 447.08 447.08 - 447.08
2 6 ROLLE Antrell . CB MIAM 5-11.5 205 4.51 428.02 428.02 1.00 429.02
3 5 EDWARDS Braylon WR MICH 6- 2.5 209 4.45 428.35 428.35 - 428.35
4 3 JOHNSON Derrick LB TX 6- 3.0 234 4.52 432.25 432.25 (6.00) 426.25
5 10 BARRON Alex T FSU 6- 7.4 322 5.20 409.76 409.76 7.00 416.76
6 4 POLLACK David DE GEO 6- 2.0 274 4.72 430.93 430.93 (18.00) 412.93
7 2 WILLIAMS Carnell RB AUB 5-11.0 202 4.44 434.79 434.79 (28.00) 406.79
8 XXX Rodgers, Aaron QB Cal 400.00 6.00 406.00
9 9 JACKSON Marlin CB MICH 6- 1.0 208 4.47 414.22 414.22 (10.00) 404.22
10 XXX Davis, Thomas S Georgia 405.38 (4.00) 401.38
11 XXX MERRIMAN, Shawne BRID 6-4 1/2 262 390.00 10.00 400.00
12 7 BROWN Ron RB AUB 6- 1.0 216 4.44 417.62 417.62 (18.00) 399.62
13 8 BENSON Cedric RB TX 5-11.0 221 4.49 415.25 415.25 (20.00) 395.25
14 11 JAMES Erasumus DE WISC 6- 5.1 258 4.68 398.03 398.03 (7.00) 391.03
15 12 CLAYTON Mark WR OKLA 5-10.0 185 4.45 397.75 397.75 (7.00) 390.75
16 XXX Miller, Justin CB Clemson 5-11 200 385.00 - 385.00
17 XXX Miller, Heath TE Virginia 6-5 254 378.88 5.00 383.88
18 30 SPEARS Marcus DE LSU 6- 4.0 296 4.99 366.53 366.53 17.00 383.53
19 13 FRYE Charlie . QB AKRON 6- 3.3 223 4.74 384.99 384.99 (5.00) 379.99
20 17 BROWN Elton G VIRG 6- 4.5 338 5.33 377.85 377.85 - 377.85
21 26 WEBSTER Cory CB LSU 6- 0.0 202 4.57 368.29 368.29 7.00 375.29
22 19 BAAS David C MICH 6- 4.5 322 5.39 374.77 374.77 - 374.77
23 29 JONES PAC MAN CB WV 5- 9.0 170 4.34 366.77 366.77 8.00 374.77
24 XXX Smith, Alex QB Utah 369.00 5.00 374.00
25 XXX Browner, Brandon CB 6-4 202 378.00 (4.00) 374.00
26 XXX CROWDER, Channing LB 6-3 245 368.00 2.00 370.00
27 28 SMITH Alex TE STAN 6- 4.6 255 4.76 366.85 366.85 2.00 368.85
28 XXX TUCK, Justin DE/LB Notre Dame 400.00 (32.00) 368.00
29 24 CODY Shaun DT USC 6- 3.5 285 4.92 368.94 368.94 (2.00) 366.94
30 18 HAWTHORNE Anttaj DT WISC 6- 2.5 312 5.15 376.04 376.04 (10.00) 366.04
31 79 WILLIAMSON Troy WR SC 6- 1.0 180 4.37 347.68 347.68 17.00 364.68
32 47 ROTH Matt DE IOWA 6- 3.0 262 4.78 358.20 358.20 6.00 364.20
33 38 PATTERSON Mike DT USC 5-10.7 283 5.10 361.58 361.58 2.00 363.58
34 21 ROGERS Carlos - CB AUB 5-11.8 197 4.45 372.36 372.36 (9.00) 363.36
35 32 CODY Dan . DE OKLA 6- 4.0 278 4.85 365.14 365.14 (2.00) 363.14
36 104 BURNETT Kevin LB TENN 6- 2.0 231 4.55 342.27 342.27 20.00 362.27
37 60 CAMPBELL Jason QB AUB 6- 4.0 221 4.69 353.92 353.92 7.00 360.92
38 117 MORRISON Kirk LB SDsu 6- 0.0 238 4.67 339.28 339.28 21.00 360.28
39 48 JOHNSON Travis - DT FSU 6- 3.0 265 4.68 358.12 358.12 2.00 360.12
40 75 WARE Demarcus . DE TROYs 6- 4.0 236 4.58 348.98 348.98 11.00 359.98
41 xxx Bullock, Josh FS Nebraska 360.00 (1.00) 359.00
42 50 BROWN Jason C NC 6- 3.2 330 5.55 357.95 357.95 357.95
43 52 FASON Ciatrick RB FLOR 6- 0.0 205 4.47 357.42 357.42 - 357.42
44 XXX THURMAN, Odell LB Georgia 6-1 240 370.00 (13.00) 357.00
45 53 GRIGSBY Boomer LB ILLst 5-11.4 241 4.49 356.93 356.93 - 356.93
46 41 JOHNSON Marcus . G MISP 6- 6.0 325 5.28 359.92 359.92 (3.00) 356.92
47 88 ORTON Kyle QB PURD 6- 3.5 216 4.99 345.92 345.92 11.00 356.92
48 15 PEARS Eric T COLst 6- 7.7 313 5.12 379.89 379.89 (23.00) 356.89
49 22 BOLEY Mike LB sMISP 6- 1.6 234 4.61 371.60 371.60 (15.00) 356.60
50 39 MURPHY Terrance WR TXam 6- 0.1 193 4.44 361.57 361.57 (5.00) 356.57
51 95 HENRY Chris * WR WV 6- 5.0 190 4.39 344.53 344.53 12.00 356.53
52 80 HOUSTON Cedric RB TENN 6- 0.0 215 4.49 347.45 347.45 9.00 356.45
53 71 BROWN Jammal T OKLA 6- 4.5 300 5.24 351.38 351.38 5.00 356.38
54 40 WHITE Roddy - WR UAB 6- 1.0 218 4.47 361.19 361.19 (5.00) 356.19
55 135 ELLISON Atiyah . DT MIZZU 6- 4.0 303 5.12 335.88 335.88 20.00 355.88
56 16 RUUD Barnett LB NEB 6- 1.0 244 4.67 378.21 378.21 (23.00) 355.21
57 XXX CANTY, Chris DE Virginia x 6-7 280 385.00 (30.00) 355.00
58 XXX MORENCY, Vernand RB 5-10 215 365.00 (10.00) 355.00
59 XXX Hagan, Derek WR 340.00 15.00 355.00
60 XXX WALLACE Goo LB Big East 6-4 245 350.00 5.00 355.00
61 XXX GORE, Frank RB Miami 360.00 (5.00) 355.00
62 XXX BARBER Marion III RB MINN 5-11.0 208 4.54 369.68 369.68 (15.00) 354.68
63 XXX Pool, Brandon S Oklahoma 6-3 198 4.50 351.53 3.00 354.53
64 58 GEISENGER Justin G VANDY 6- 3.6 342 5.52 354.23 354.23 354.23
65 73 THORPE Craphonso . WR FSU 6- 0.5 189 4.45 350.07 350.07 4.00 354.07
66 59 COLON Jonathan T FLOR 6- 6.4 321 5.21 354.05 354.05 354.05
67 61 BEJANA Billy TE OKst 6- 4.7 258 4.77 353.88 353.88 353.88
68 44 MATHIS Evan G BAMA 6- 5.2 296 5.09 358.86 358.86 (5.00) 353.86
69 99 SCOTT Jonathan T TX 6- 7.0 296 4.98 343.80 343.80 10.00 353.80
70 25 COLMER Chris T NCst 6- 5.5 320 5.36 368.69 368.69 (15.00) 353.69
71 45 RHODES Kerry S LOU 6- 2.4 210 4.48 358.39 358.39 (5.00) 353.39
72 46 MOORE Lance WR TOLED 5-10.0 177 4.42 358.36 358.36 (5.00) 353.36
73 63 EVERETT Kevin TE MIAM 6- 4.6 250 4.69 353.27 353.27 353.27
74 14 GIBSON Fred WR GEO 6- 3.7 202 4.52 383.13 383.13 (30.00) 353.13
75 XXX SHELTON, Eric RB 6-2 250 355.00 (2.00) 353.00
76 43 BROOKS Clinton CJ G MARY 6- 5.0 316 5.46 358.94 358.94 (6.00) 352.94
77 192 KINNEY James LB MIZZU 6- 2.0 228 4.59 327.79 327.79 25.00 352.79
78 57 ROOS Michael T eWASH 6- 6.0 317 5.24 355.74 355.74 (3.00) 352.74
79 115 MITCHELL Lance LB OKLA 6- 2.0 245 4.66 340.18 340.18 12.00 352.18
80 68 ARRINGTON J.J RB CAL 5- 8.5 216 4.42 351.97 351.97 - 351.97
81 111 BROWN Reggie (wr) WR GEO 6- 1.0 195 4.47 340.96 340.96 11.00 351.96
82 69 JOHNSON Chris . T ARIZ 6- 3.0 338 4.98 351.79 351.79 351.79
83 37 JACOBS Brandon . RB sILL 6- 3.0 255 4.56 361.66 361.66 (10.00) 351.66
84 70 HARRELL Reggie . WR TCU 6- 2.4 215 4.60 351.66 351.66 351.66
85 166 SNYDER Adam T OREG 6- 4.5 325 5.38 331.34 331.34 20.00 351.34
86 36 PETTITI Rob T PITT 6- 5.2 340 5.28 362.26 362.26 (11.00) 351.26
87 56 ROBY Courtney WR IND 6- 0.2 184 4.39 356.22 356.22 (5.00) 351.22
88 23 BRITT Wesley T BAMA 6- 7.4 312 5.22 369.07 369.07 (18.00) 351.07
89 191 JACKSON Vince WR nCOL 6- 4.5 223 4.48 327.86 327.86 23.00 350.86
90 72 COOPER Roger LB MNTst 6- 1.0 243 4.66 350.37 350.37 350.37
91 142 TERRY Adam T SYR 6- 7.7 312 5.22 335.24 335.24 15.00 350.24
92 215 SWANCUTT Bill DE OGst 6- 4.0 257 4.85 325.22 325.22 25.00 350.22
93 33 WHITE Manuel RB UCLA 6- 1.7 251 4.65 365.05 365.05 (15.00) 350.05
94 42 ORLOVSKY Dan QB uCONN 6- 4.5 229 4.91 359.57 359.57 (10.00) 349.57
95 74 MEANS Albert DT MEMPH 6- 5.0 335 5.18 349.31 349.31 349.31
96 118 SPROLES Darren RB K-ST 5- 5.7 181 4.29 339.26 339.26 10.00 349.26
97 67 ARMSTRONG Calvin T WSU 6- 7.0 324 5.36 352.15 352.15 (3.00) 349.15
98 76 CONSIDINE Sean . S IOWA 6- 0.0 206 4.49 348.90 348.90 348.90
99 XXX SAVOY Steve . WR UTAH 5-11.0 187 4.46 348.56 348.56 0 348.56
100 55 DAVIS Anthony RB WISC 5- 7.2 204 4.58 356.43 356.43 (8.00) 348.43
101 91 CARTER Vincent C OKLA 6- 3.0 278 5.04 345.24 345.24 3.00 348.24
102 49 GOOLSBY Mike LB ND 6- 3.0 246 4.72 358.11 358.11 (10.00) 348.11
103 77 RANDALL Joe TE MHst 6- 4.0 255 4.82 348.00 348.00 348.00
104 xxx Fincher, Alfred LB UCONN 6-1 241 343.00 5.00 348.00
105 35 RUSSELL J.R WR LOU 6- 2.0 204 4.53 362.92 362.92 (15.00) 347.92
106 78 YOUNG Scott G BYU 6- 3.5 301 4.99 347.89 347.89 347.89
107 51 GREENE David QB GEO 6- 3.2 224 4.87 357.78 357.78 (10.00) 347.78
108 103 PERKINS Antonio CB OKLA 5-11.0 180 4.43 342.72 342.72 5.00 347.72
109 89 REYES Walter RB SYR 5-11.0 205 4.41 345.44 345.44 2.00 347.44
110 64 BUCKLES Doug G MISP 6- 4.0 307 5.14 352.39 352.39 (5.00) 347.39
111 65 SPEEGLE Nick LB N MEX 6- 4.0 245 4.67 352.38 352.38 (5.00) 347.38
112 81 LeFALL Dwayne DE AKRON 6- 3.0 248 4.65 347.38 347.38 347.38
113 83 FOXWORTH Domonique CB MARY 5-11.0 178 4.45 347.15 347.15 347.15
114 54 McPHERSON Adrain QB AFL 6- 3.7 210 4.56 356.89 356.89 (10.00) 346.89
115 84 HILL Tye CB CLEM 5- 9.0 162 4.17 346.77 346.77 346.77
116 85 MANKINS Logan T FRESN 6- 3.7 320 5.27 346.76 346.76 346.76
117 86 EMANUEL Ben S UCLA 6- 3.0 203 4.47 346.55 346.55 346.55
118 161 CLARRETT Maurice RB OSU z 5-11.4 230 4.58 331.54 331.54 15.00 346.54
119 163 SHROPSHIRE Darrell DT SC 6- 4.5 295 4.90 331.47 331.47 15.00 346.47
120 XXX Oshiomogo Atagowe S Stanford 5-11 203 345.00 1.00 346
121 112 LEONHARD Jimmy S WISC 5- 8.0 194 4.59 340.93 340.93 5.00 345.93
122 114 MOORE Eric DE FSU 6- 4.0 255 4.62 340.57 340.57 5.00 345.57
123 148 HEDGECOCK Madison FB NC 6- 3.0 258 4.72 333.39 333.39 12.00 345.39
124 90 YOUNG James S GEOs 6- 2.0 218 4.45 345.28 345.28 345.28
125 92 WALKENHORST Paul LB BYU 6- 4.7 257 4.78 345.20 345.20 345.20
126 XXX Williams, Jimmy S Vtech 360.00 (15.00) 345.00
127 93 BRACHINS Larry WR JC CA 6- 5.0 225 4.45 344.90 344.90 344.90
128 94 CURRIE Airese WR CLEM 5-10.3 178 4.27 344.75 344.75 344.75
129 177 GUIDUGLI Gino QB Cincy 6- 3.0 220 4.85 329.74 329.75 15.00 344.75
130 101 NICHOLSON Donte S OKLA 6- 2.0 206 4.50 343.25 343.25 1.00 344.25
131 96 LINGRVEN Blake C WF 6- 4.0 307 5.08 344.23 344.23 344.23
132 97 PAULY Greg DT ND 6- 6.0 291 4.94 343.95 343.95 343.95
133 98 MRUCKOWSKI Scott C BOWL 6- 4.0 319 5.29 343.95 343.95 343.95
134 184 HARRIS Kay Jay RB WV 6- 0.0 232 4.52 328.88 328.88 15.00 343.88
135 100 KEMOEATU Chris . G UTAH 6- 3.5 341 5.35 343.41 343.41 343.41
136 62 BODY Patrick S TOLED 6- 2.0 191 4.42 353.33 353.33 (10.00) 343.33
137 XXX BRYANT, Anthony DT Alabama 6-2 335 345.00 (2.00) 343.00
138 102 HILL Leroy LB CLEM 6- 0.0 225 4.57 342.74 342.74 342.74
139 107 BUTLER James S GT 6- 3.0 208 4.62 341.62 341.62 1.00 342.62
140 XXX HENRY, Keron WR Uconn 340.55 2.00 342.55
141 66 BRIMMER Jamaal S UNLV 6- 1.0 214 4.62 352.30 352.30 (10.00) 342.30
142 155 RIX Chris QB FSU 6- 2.2 208 4.52 332.20 332.20 10.00 342.20
143 242 FRANCISCO Aaron S BYU 6- 1.0 210 4.46 322.09 322.09 20.00 342.09
144 105 KACZUR Nick T TOLED 6- 6.0 305 5.28 342.03 342.03 342.03
145 XXX Jones, Matt WR Arkansas 6-6 237 330.00 12.00 342.00
146 106 LYNCH Dan G Cataw 6- 3.0 308 4.78 341.88 341.88 341.88
147 31 TANT Matthew FB VANDY 5-10.0 235 4.48 366.26 366.26 (25.00) 341.26
148 108 MATHIS Jerome WR HAMPT 6- 0.0 185 4.42 341.15 341.15 - 341.15
149 109 MAYES Sam G OKst 6- 3.5 348 5.52 340.98 340.98 340.98
150 110 FRASER Simon DE OSU 6- 5.5 278 5.04 340.97 340.97 340.97
151 113 ALSTON Jon G SC 6- 4.5 302 5.26 340.81 340.81 340.81
152 208 WHITE Jason. QB OKLA 6- 1.3 222 5.01 325.56 325.56 15.00 340.56
153 XXX PERKINS, Justin CB Uconn 325.00 15.00 340.00
154 174 POLLARD Jonathan . LB OGst 6- 1.0 247 4.65 329.89 329.89 10.00 339.89
155 121 DAVIS Jim DT VT 6- 3.0 276 4.82 338.86 338.86 1.00 339.86
156 XXX Stanley, Ron LB Michigan State 6-0 235 319.85 20.00 339.85
157 147 McCUNE Robert LB LOU 6- 0.0 240 4.48 333.82 333.82 6.00 339.82
158 116 ERICKSON Mike T NEB 6- 3.0 310 5.12 339.79 339.79 339.79
159 119 ORR Jonathan WR WISC 6- 3.0 185 4.46 338.93 338.93 338.93
160 120 McARTHUR Geoff WR CAL 6- 1.0 200 4.56 338.89 338.89 338.89
161 122 PAYMAH Karl CB WSU 5-11.4 204 4.55 338.75 338.75 338.75
162 123 HOPOI Manase DT U-WA 6- 3.5 276 4.94 338.68 338.68 338.68
163 124 TARULLO Matt C SYR 6- 5.4 318 5.37 338.18 338.18 338.18
164 87 BARTELL Ron Jr. CB Howrd 6- 2.0 187 4.52 345.98 345.98 (8.00) 337.98
165 125 GATES Lionel RB LOU 5-11.6 224 4.48 337.98 337.98 337.98
166 126 ANDERSON Derek QB OGst 6- 6.0 239 4.94 337.80 337.80 337.80
167 20 McCLENDON T.A RB NCst 6- 0.0 219 4.52 372.80 372.80 (35.00) 337.80
168 127 OUTLAND Quintin T BYLR 6- 4.0 345 5.35 337.62 337.62 337.62
169 195 ALEXANDER Lorenzo DT CAL 6- 2.0 297 5.12 327.34 327.34 10.00 337.34
170 128 ELLICK Drew CB ND 5- 9.0 178 4.47 337.22 337.22 337.22
171 XXX Owens, Chad WR/KR Hawaii 5-7 175 321.97 15.00 336.97
172 129 BIRMINGHAM Decori RB ARK 5- 9.3 206 4.53 336.87 336.87 336.87
173 130 COLLINS Nick CB BETHU 5-10.8 193 4.36 336.68 336.68 336.68
174 131 GROOTEGEOD Matt LB USC 5-11.0 204 4.54 336.67 336.67 336.67
175 162 BABINEAUX Jon DT IOWA 6- 1.5 278 4.81 331.48 331.48 5.00 336.48
176 132 HODGE Alphonso CB MiamO 5-11.0 203 4.43 336.35 336.35 336.35
177 133 NICHOLS Jerome . DT WF 6- 2.0 278 4.79 336.19 336.19 336.19
178 134 PARQUET Jeremy T sMISP 6- 6.0 324 5.26 336.15 336.15 336.15
179 136 GREEN Eric. CB VT 5-11.0 197 4.45 335.84 335.84 335.84
180 137 TERRELL Claude T N MEX 6- 2.2 341 5.48 335.71 335.71 335.71
181 138 BUENNING Dan G WISC 6- 4.5 310 5.35 335.67 335.67 335.67
182 210 BIGBY Atari . S uCF 5-11.0 215 4.52 325.44 325.44 10.00 335.44
183 139 STRIEF Zach T NW 6- 7.5 355 5.52 335.38 335.35 335.35
184 140 McCHESNEY Matt DT COL 6- 4.0 288 4.97 335.35 335.35 335.35
185 141 GRANT Ryan RB ND 6- 1.0 211 4.48 335.30 335.30 335.30
186 143 WAKE Derek LB PSU 6- 2.4 238 4.68 335.04 335.04 335.04
187 xxx Herron, Noah RB Northwestern 5-10 231 335.00 335.00
188 144 JACKSON Jonathan. DE OKLA 6- 3.0 238 4.56 334.24 334.24 334.24
189 145 SEWARD Adam LB UNLV 6- 2.0 238 4.83 334.16 334.16 334.16
190 146 FULLER Vincent S VT 6- 1.0 182 4.43 334.13 334.13 334.13
191 34 BURNS Vincent DE KTKY 6- 2.0 264 4.72 363.50 363.50 (30.00) 333.50
192 188 DREESSEN Joel FB COLst 6- 3.7 257 4.80 327.95 327.95 5.00 332.95
193 149 CASTILLO Luis DT NW 6- 3.5 305 5.02 332.90 332.90 332.90
194 XXX BROCKINGTON, Cornell RB UCONN 330.88 2.00 332.88
195 150 BABCOCK Pat "Bucky" T ILL 6- 3.5 314 5.27 332.86 332.86 332.86
196 151 McCARTY Cody TE TCU 6- 4.0 259 4.71 332.40 332.40 332.40
197 152 JOHNSON Derrick . CB U-WA 5-11.0 190 4.48 332.38 332.38 332.38
198 153 DOTY Jon T K-ST 6- 6.5 307 5.24 332.37 332.37 332.37
199 154 WELSH Jonathan . DE WISC 6- 4.0 243 4.72 332.25 332.25 332.25
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not bad, I like your top 10 especially. I'd rate Marlin Jackson about the same as you but we're about the only ones I've seen that rate him that highly.
I'd rate Erasmus James several spots lower,
Alex Smith a lot higher,
Arrington quite a bit higher
Jamaal Brown a lot higher, the guy was a rock. This is a good OT draft IMO.
Carlos Rogers quite a bit higher, definitely over Pacman and Webster.
Still left to accomplish:
sign OT Winston or G Moore
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not bad, I like your top 10 especially. I'd rate Marlin Jackson about the same as you but we're about the only ones I've seen that rate him that highly.
I'd rate Erasmus James several spots lower,
Alex Smith a lot higher,
Arrington quite a bit higher
Jamaal Brown a lot higher, the guy was a rock. This is a good OT draft IMO.
Carlos Rogers quite a bit higher, definitely over Pacman and Webster.
But Webster to me is so much more ready to step in and play in an NFL starting lineup than Rogers. Rogers to me is vastly overated! He sat out Senior bowl dinged?
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I would have Webster somewhere in the late 30's....he has some confidence issues and as we seen with Dwayne Goodrich that can be tough to overcome in the NFL.
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I would have Webster somewhere in the late 30's....he has some confidence issues and as we seen with Dwayne Goodrich that can be tough to overcome in the NFL.
Carlos Rogers will be a stud corner.
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I would have Webster somewhere in the late 30's....he has some confidence issues and as we seen with Dwayne Goodrich that can be tough to overcome in the NFL.

I've been concerned about his confidence issue as well. As a NFL CB, you got to have very short memories or else you won't last even with a world of talent. I think unless there's some great reasons, I'll pass on him.
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But Webster to me is so much more ready to step in and play in an NFL starting lineup than Rogers. Rogers to me is vastly overated! He sat out Senior bowl dinged?

Your kidding right? Webster isn't in Rogers' league. Gimme a break, Nors.
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Your kidding right? Webster isn't in Rogers' league. Gimme a break, Nors.
Rack is always right - I get you. This is an exact science and you have the secret decoder ring. Good for you.

Rogers is a verry iffy pick for us at 11 or 20.
I have Rogers as an early 2nd round pick. He ding's out of practice and did you see him with his pads off on ESPN? Birdman! Concave chest - he didn't look like he has a NFL ready body - lets see at Combine.

Webster in his career has been a playmaker. Another late 1st to second round CB. More ready to step in and start.


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Strengths: Is a fearless defender who has NFL-caliber size and strength. Shows the physical skills to match up with most receivers.

Weaknesses: Rarely makes big plays. Entering his senior season, he had only four interceptions in 35 starts. Lacks ideal speed and struggles to track airborne balls. If beaten on routes, has trouble making the quick turns and sprints necessary to recover.

Bottom line. Rogers' body is NFL-ready, but his lack of playmaking potential makes him only a late-Day 1 or early-Day 2 pick.

Dan Pompei analysis
Has good size and man-to-man skills. Has body control and quickness and is physical. Has improved his stock this year but isn't always focused. Speed is good, not great.
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Rack is always right - I get you. This is an exact science and you have the secret decoder ring. Good for you.

Rogers is a verry iffy pick for us at 11 or 20.
I have Rogers as an early 2nd round pick. He ding's out of practice and did you see him with his pads off on ESPN? Birdman! Concave chest - he didn't look like he has a NFL ready body - lets see at Combine.

Webster in his career has been a playmaker. Another late 1st to second round CB. More ready to step in and start.


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Strengths: Is a fearless defender who has NFL-caliber size and strength. Shows the physical skills to match up with most receivers.

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4.37 speed isn't great? Nor, this is a PRIME EXAMPLE of one of your agendas.

McGahee
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Rogers was barely even thrown at this year, That in itself cuts down on INTs. I also love the use of a Bio that is from pre-'04 season...
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Dan Cody is rated WAY too low.
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4.37 speed isn't great? Nor, this is a PRIME EXAMPLE of one of your agendas.

McGahee
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Rogers was barely even thrown at this year, That in itself cuts down on INTs. I also love the use of a Bio that is from pre-'04 season...
Thats a Sporting News draft bio - Not my agenda


I'll bet you a wooden nickel Rogers does not run a 4.37 at combine. In fact I'll bet you another nickel the kid won't run.
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4.37 speed isn't great? Nor, this is a PRIME EXAMPLE of one of your agendas.

McGahee
Suggs
next....

Rogers was barely even thrown at this year, That in itself cuts down on INTs. I also love the use of a Bio that is from pre-'04 season...

McGahee - was a huge Medical risk. Kid had only finished 1 year in High School and College without injury. Has had 3 major ACL surgeries and had to redshirt his rookie year. If healthy the kid has obvious talent.

Suggs was a risk and would have TANKED in our 4-3 past two years. Was not a good pick and Parcells/Jones went Newman. I agreed then and now on that pick.
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PROSPECT UPDATES FROM THE COLLEGE SCOUTING BUREAU

AUBURN senior CB CARLOS ROGERS weighs in at 6004, 192 pounds, with 4.37 speed in the forty....can be physical and explosive....has a 38" vertical...has started 31 games and has 135 career tackles....fluid, instinctive cover corner with 30 broken up passes and five interceptions in his career...very competitive, "pit bull" type mentality...adjuss to the ball in the air very well...and uses his hands well... very solid tackler... shut down Wisconsin's Lee Evans in last year's Motor City Bowl. On top of everything he proved over the last three years, he showed his toughness last season playing with a broken hand....also, in last year's 28-21 win over Tennessee....Rogers has had bigger statistical games, but he hasn't made a bigger play than he did against the Volunteers snuffing out a final drive with a diving interception to seal the win. He made four tackles and broke up two passes to go along with his only interception of the year....CAREER STATS: 2003: 29 tackles, one tackle for loss, nine broken up passes and one interception.... 2002: 48 tackles, two tackles for loss, nine broken up passes and four interceptions.... 2001: 58 tackles, 12 broken up passes.

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Rack is always right - I get you. This is an exact science and you have the secret decoder ring. Good for you.

That is a freakin' LAUGH coming from you, Nors.


"Terrell Suggs will be a bust cuz he only did 19 reps and he only ran a 4.9"


Sound familiar?


Yeah, I think when it comes to judging college football talent you are by far the worst the world has ever known.
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That is a freakin' LAUGH coming from you, Nors.


"Terrell Suggs will be a bust cuz he only did 19 reps and he only ran a 4.9"


Sound familiar?


Yeah, I think when it comes to judging college football talent you are by far the worst the world has ever known.
One dimensional player - Funny Parcells agreed with me but you know it all.
I'm back to not reading your posts - same know it all drivel.
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