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Zaxor · 02-24-2005

The Deadslow thing is done.... we all came down on what ever side we came down on... but what done is done

now to concentrate on protecting him...

I hope we really get some guys to give Drew a chance....

as I see it now Greg Williams the Def Cor. for Wash (former Bills HC) is probably foaming at the mouth so is Jim Johnson (philly DC)..

I had though Oliver Ross for RT might be okay...I think we are going to need somebody better now...Kyle Turley is intriging if the back is okay but I sure wouldn'tt want to bet the farm on it anybody have names we should be focusing on...

and what about Gurode was it the RT spot that was causing him the problems?

Zaxor

Doomsday101 · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Zaxor

The Deadslow thing is done.... we all came down on what ever side we came down on... but what done is done

now to concentrate on protecting him...

I hope we really get some guys to give Drew a chance....

as I see it now Greg Williams the Def Cor. for Wash (former Bills HC) is probably foaming at the mouth so is Jim Johnson (philly DC)..

I had though Oliver Ross for RT might be okay...I think we are going to need somebody better now...Kyle Turley is intriging if the back is okay but I sure wouldn'tt want to bet the farm on it anybody have names we should be focusing on...

and what about Gurode was it the RT spot that was causing him the problems?

Zaxor

Gurode is a RG not a RT and while Dallas did struggle in run blocking on the right side of the line they did do a pretty decent job of pass blocking. No doubt there is room for more improvement on the right side of the line the Cowboys do have Peterman from last years draft and he should be able to compete for the job and I would expect Dallas to look outside for yet more options to help resolve the offensive line problems.

Zaxor · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Gurode is a RG not a RT and while Dallas did struggle in run blocking on the right side of the line they did do a pretty decent job of pass blocking. No doubt there is room for more improvement on the right side of the line the Cowboys do have Peterson from last years draft and he should be able to compete for the job and I would expect Dallas to look outside for yet more options to help resolve the offensive line problems.

I know that but was it the poor play at RT that was causing his so many problems

Zaxor

Doomsday101 · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Zaxor

I know that but was it the poor play at RT that was causing his so many problems

Zaxor

I wish I could say that was the case but Gurode has to ansewer for his own poor play. I have not given up on him completely but I will say this is a make or break year for him.

wileedog · 02-24-2005

Parcells said Rogers would have played on the left side, but he wasn't comfortable enough yet on the right to get in the game.

So worst case scenario, do we flop Flozell to the right and play Rogers on the left? A RG will be cheaper and easier to find than a RT, and Gurode is still good enough for depth at least.

Zaxor · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I wish I could say that was the case but Gurode has to ansewer for his own poor play. I have not given up on him completely but I will say this is a make or break year for him.

We have a couple of o-line men that are up then down (flo and Gurode) one year they are good the next they are bad...I really hope the new o-line coach can get these guys to be steady

Zaxor

Doomsday101 · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by wileedog

Parcells said Rogers would have played on the left side, but he wasn't comfortable enough yet on the right to get in the game.

So worst case scenario, do we flop Flozell to the right and play Rogers on the left? A RG will be cheaper and easier to find than a RT, and Gurode is still good enough for depth at least.

I think we will see Dallas experiment during training camp with Flo on the right side and Rogers on the left side. Gurode has 1 season left on his current contract and should he lose his starting job I agree that he could provide decent depth at least for next season

**WoodysGirl** · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Zaxor

I know that but was it the poor play at RT that was causing his so many problems

Zaxor

I disagree. Gurode's problems were well, Gurode's problems. He played next to Tucker all season long. You would think there would be some chemistry there. It was, but it was the kind that blew up in your face. Like DD101 said, the OL's pass block was decent enuff, but their run blocking was awful. That's why teams could just load up on the left, cuz they knew we were going left or up the middle. The few times we tried going right, JJ, Eddie, and whoever else we trotted out there was stuffed behind the LOS.

Zaxor · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

I disagree. Gurode's problems were well, Gurode's problems. He played next to Tucker all season long. You would think there would be some chemistry there. It was, but it was the kind that blew up in your face. Like DD101 said, the OL's pass block was decent enuff, but their run blocking was awful. That's why teams could just load up on the left, cuz they knew we were going left or up the middle. The few times we tried going right, JJ, Eddie, and whoever else we trotted out there was stuffed behind the LOS.

I thought run blocking was suppose to be the least difficult thing for o-lineman

so what do you think do we need both guard and tackle

Zaxor

**WoodysGirl** · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Zaxor

I thought run blocking was suppose to be the least difficult thing for o-lineman

so what do you think do we need both guard and tackle

Zaxor

I think we need a right tackle definitely. I'm not sure what Rogers will really be able to contribute this season much as he probably won't get his strength up until well into the season. Can't keep trotting out UDFAs and hope they overachieve. I don't know about flipping Flo to the right side. He had his own share of problems last year.

As for guard, we've got Peterman, Gurode, and Walter that can play guard. Peterman just needs to get on the field. He's kind of the wild card right now. He got injured before anyone could really see what he could do. A full offseason and another training camp should be a good indicator. I think Gurode was beaten down mentally by the end of last season, so let's hope he rebounds from that. Gurode needs to just play. Sometimes you just gotta maul the guy in front of you on don't worry about whether it's technically correct.

Another thing we're forgetting is that we have a new OL coach, not necessarily new to the 'boys, but at least a new voice for the linemen. Sparano is the other wildcard in the OL getting better.

LA=Pancakemaker · 02-24-2005

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The Deadslow thing is done.... we all came down on what ever side we came down on... but what done is done

now to concentrate on protecting him...

Are you for real???? Your the guy thats said this team was doomed - we have no future, now your saying lets move on????

Flip / flop!

SuspectCorner · 02-24-2005

gurode doesn't need any help sucking - he does a great job on his own. this is prolly his last chance to prove himself here.

i'm not counting on rogers to do anything this season. he may never be ready to play.

peterman should be healthy and ready to contribute at guard.

al johnson looks solid at C but there's only "utility" guys in reserve if he goes down.

it seems like the simplest solution for the line problems is to sign a RT like mckenzie, slide tucker over to RG, and hope flozell returns to his form of the season before last. peterman and gurode would provide depth at guard in case larry breaks down. and we'd need to take a second day flier on another OT.

Zaxor · 02-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

I think we need a right tackle definitely. I'm not sure what Rogers will really be able to contribute this season this much as he probably won't get his strength up until well into the season. Can't keep trotting out UDFAs and hope they overachieve. I don't know about flipping Flo to the right side. He had his own share of problems last year.

As for guard, we've got Peterman, Gurode, and Walter that can play guard. Peterman just needs to get on the field. He's kind of the wild card right now. He got injured before anyone could really see what he could do. A full offseason and another training camp should be a good indicator. I think Gurode was beaten down mentally by the end of last season, so let's hope he rebounds from that. Gurode needs to just play. Sometimes you just gotta maul the guy in front of you on don't worry about whether it's technically correct.

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Great post

all valid points

do you see any viable canidates in FA..the guy up in detroit ole whats his name... McDougle is he any good?...It is real hard to tell we might have to spend a semi high draft choice(2nd rnd) on another tackle

Zaxor

Zaxor · 02-24-2005

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gurode doesn't need any help sucking - he does a great job on his own. this is prolly his last chance to prove himself here.

i'm not counting on rogers to do anything this season. he may never be ready to play.

peterman should be healthy and ready to contribute at guard.

al johnson looks solid at C but there's only "utility" guys in reserve if he goes down.

it seems like the simplest solution for the line problems is to sign a RT like mckenzie, slide tucker over to RG, and hope flozell returns to his form of the season before last. peterman and gurode would provide depth at guard in case larry breaks down. and we'd need to take a second day flier on another OT.

LOL

The olinemen make me crazy they play good one year then suck the next...

your plan is about the best option I have seen...but I thought they did not want to move tucker because he is too tall for guard according to Bill

Zaxor

Outlaw Heroes · 02-24-2005

I'd go after Marco Rivera to play guard. Pro-bowl member of one of the best pass-blocking units in the NFL over the past few seasons. The problem with relying on Peterman (other than the injury) is that he's alway had trouble with pass-blocking, which is now at a premium with Bledsoe standing back there.