My take on this whole QB thing. - Dallas Cowboys Forum

blindzebra · 05-23-2004

I truely find it sad that so many people on this board actually seem glad that Hutchinson had a bad game.

Hutchinson got beat up in 2002 and he has an even worse OL and running game in Europe, but he is trying and I respect that, just like I respect how much work Carter put in last year, trying to get better.

The problem is that neither is likely to be the long term answer in Dallas, so let the you are a hater crap begin.

As many of the more level-headed have said, both of these guys have been hurt by how this mess has been handled from day one. Hutchinson CAN play QB in the NFL, the one game in 2002 against JAX showed that he can, when he has protection. He has however a problem, and it is not this overblown pocket awareness either, he tries TOO HARD. He tries to always make the play down field, he locks on his receiver and holds the ball too long. Quincy has the same problem, but instead of getting hit he throws it up for grabs.

It is too bad that both were put in this situation, but they were. Honestly, I don't think either is a viable option as the long term starter in Dallas.

Please God, let Drew be an all pro QB, or at least a better bus driver.

Ken · 05-23-2004

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

I truely find it sad that so many people on this board actually seem glad that Hutchinson had a bad game.

Hutchinson got beat up in 2002 and he has an even worse OL and running game in Europe, but he is trying and I respect that, just like I respect how much work Carter put in last year, trying to get better.

The problem is that neither is likely to be the long term answer in Dallas, so let the you are a hater crap begin.

As many of the more level-headed have said, both of these guys have been hurt by how this mess has been handled from day one. Hutchinson CAN play QB in the NFL, the one game in 2002 against JAX showed that he can, when he has protection. He has however a problem, and it is not this overblown pocket awareness either, he tries TOO HARD. He tries to always make the play down field, he locks on his receiver and holds the ball too long. Quincy has the same problem, but instead of getting hit he throws it up for grabs.
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Well,
I am not glad that Hutch blows in europe. I wanted to seem him progress and blow up there. It would have done wonders for this team. But, nooooooooo, didn't even come close to happening. He didn't show me any evidence of getting any better since his rookie season. Frankly, that is horrible and he has been stealing money as far as I'm concerned.

Big D · 05-23-2004

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

I truely find it sad that so many people on this board actually seem glad that Hutchinson had a bad game.

Hutchinson got beat up in 2002 and he has an even worse OL and running game in Europe, but he is trying and I respect that, just like I respect how much work Carter put in last year, trying to get better.

The problem is that neither is likely to be the long term answer in Dallas, so let the you are a hater crap begin.

As many of the more level-headed have said, both of these guys have been hurt by how this mess has been handled from day one. Hutchinson CAN play QB in the NFL, the one game in 2002 against JAX showed that he can, when he has protection. He has however a problem, and it is not this overblown pocket awareness either, he tries TOO HARD. He tries to always make the play down field, he locks on his receiver and holds the ball too long. Quincy has the same problem, but instead of getting hit he throws it up for grabs.
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I agree .. but I am hoping that qc steps it up this year allowing DH time to develop properly . If not, he'll be thrown in prematurely and a bus driver is all he'll become and we'll be in this same position 3yrs down the line.... not good.

David · 05-23-2004

Cut!... Take 47.839...Roll-em

blindzebra · 05-23-2004

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I agree .. but I am hoping that qc steps it up this year allowing DH time to develop properly . If not, he'll be thrown in prematurely and a bus driver is all he'll become and we'll be in this same position 3yrs down the line.... not good.

I'm not sure Henson will need a lot of time, and playing him would be like playing any othe first round QB, the ones that have IT show it, even when they struggle.

jdnalls · 05-23-2004

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

I truely find it sad that so many people on this board actually seem glad that Hutchinson had a bad game.

Hutchinson got beat up in 2002 and he has an even worse OL and running game in Europe, but he is trying and I respect that, just like I respect how much work Carter put in last year, trying to get better.

The problem is that neither is likely to be the long term answer in Dallas, so let the you are a hater crap begin.

As many of the more level-headed have said, both of these guys have been hurt by how this mess has been handled from day one. Hutchinson CAN play QB in the NFL, the one game in 2002 against JAX showed that he can, when he has protection. He has however a problem, and it is not this overblown pocket awareness either, he tries TOO HARD. He tries to always make the play down field, he locks on his receiver and holds the ball too long. Quincy has the same problem, but instead of getting hit he throws it up for grabs.
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I truly find it sad that some people on this board feel that Hutch is an actual Qb.

Chevyman08 · 05-23-2004

I am hoping Quincy blows early in the season so we can get him out and Henson in.

It will happen sooner or later.

Nors · 05-23-2004

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

I'm not sure Henson will need a lot of time, and playing him would be like playing any othe first round QB, the ones that have IT show it, even when they struggle.

I never wanted to see Hutch play poor - I think he has done OK over there actually.

On Henson, he started 8 games in college, bolted for baseball 3+ years ago and is now ready to run an NFL offense?

There are Lions in this League Zebra, tred slowly and don't graze for long hombre

jdnalls · 05-23-2004

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I never wanted to see Hutch play poor - I think he has done OK over there actually.

On Henson, he started 8 games in college, bolted for baseball 3+ years ago and is now ready to run an NFL offense?

There are Lions in this League Zebra, tred slowly and don't graze for long hombre

Well if it makes you feel any better QC has been on our team for 3+ years and still doesn't know how to run an offense properly.

Jimz31 · 05-23-2004

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

I truely find it sad that so many people on this board actually seem glad that Hutchinson had a bad game.

Hutchinson got beat up in 2002 and he has an even worse OL and running game in Europe, but he is trying and I respect that, just like I respect how much work Carter put in last year, trying to get better.

The problem is that neither is likely to be the long term answer in Dallas, so let the you are a hater crap begin.

As many of the more level-headed have said, both of these guys have been hurt by how this mess has been handled from day one. Hutchinson CAN play QB in the NFL, the one game in 2002 against JAX showed that he can, when he has protection. He has however a problem, and it is not this overblown pocket awareness either, he tries TOO HARD. He tries to always make the play down field, he locks on his receiver and holds the ball too long. Quincy has the same problem, but instead of getting hit he throws it up for grabs.
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OK, this thread is just too funny!

Aren't you the same guy that tried to show the hypocrisy against the Q crowd? Yes, you were.

Now, you find it sad that people are saying some of the same things that you yourself probably say about Quincy.

You say that Q can't make it in the NFL, yet you see ONE game....the Jacksonville game.....as one that shows that he CAN? How enlightening. Where were your mentiones about Quincy in his rookie year against the 49'ers.....or the Giants.....or one of the others?

Now, everybody seems to be pinning their hopes in Drew Henson.....a guy that hasn't played Football in years. Sound like someone else? A guy that had a limited collegiate career. 8 starts.....Sure, I know he's played in over 20, but why didn't he start? Obviously, he wasn't good enough to start the game now was he?

Let's face it, Henson could be Hutch II, or he could be the next Aikman, or he could be the next QB in a long line of over-hyped guys that are mediocre at best.

We've heard this whole song and dance a couple of years ago. Hutch was supposed to be the next great thing.....yeah, ok. Change the name in the articles and they are all the same.

I'm still waiting on Spags to say: :If Henson were such a lock, why did the Texans let him go?"

Quincy and Hutch were both thrown to the wolves too quickly....most of us agree on this.

ghst187 · 05-23-2004

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I truly find it sad that some people on this board feel that Hutch is an actual Qb.

ditto for Quincy

twa · 05-23-2004

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I truly find it sad that some people on this board feel that Hutch is an actual Qb.

Many people also doubt Q is real Qb, both of them have large holes in thier game,whether it is from bad choices in thier development or a lack of skills.What is truly sad is the FO decisions that brought this about.A vet Qb is way overdue,but maybe Henson can provide a miracle.THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS.

EveryoneElse · 05-23-2004

Here's my takes/opinions on all of our QBs.

QC- When we drafted him I think everyone was hoping for the same thing Jerry J was hoping for, the guy that would make the transition from Troy easy. Well, imo, that has blown up in all our face's including JJ's, some still are holding on to that little gleem of hope that Carter somehow will turn into a franchise QB that can lead us. Me....I've given up hope and would honeslty take a 5th rounder for him right now.

Hutch- When we first signed him I was a little skeptical about the reasons, we had drafted a young QB the year before and still didn't know much about QC. Chad had been out of the game for a long while and would need time to get back in football mode. Like most here when whispers started being whispered about Coslet thinking this guy had big time potential and could be a probowler in a few years I jumped on the bandwagon. I was glad to see Chad get a shot after QC's poor showing in the AZ game. Chad took a beating and still managed to put up similar stats to QC even though the win% was low(2-7). I backed him til Parcells named QC the starter last year. I would take a 7th for him right now.

Henson- Henson is the only QB on the roster right now that I see having a roster spot on this team next year(2005). While I hope that he can develop into what JJ and BP both think he can, I still am a little skeptical. I just hope he can help us to forget about QC and Hutch.

Romo- I have no opinion on Romo other than I don't think he has much of a future in the NFL.

So, IMHO, we have two QBs in QC and Hutch that are destined for Canada or the arena leagues, and one Qb that we are taking a chance on in Henson that may or may not turn out.

One things for sure......the QC and Hutch camps will be harder to find in 2005 than a Tickle me Elmo doll on Christmas Eve(or what ever doll is "in" this next year).

Thats my opinion.

Mash · 05-23-2004

I guess I'm a fan on whoever wears the star.

When QC starts.....I'm his biggest fan...same with any other Cowboy....except maybe Scott seeing how I cringe everytime I see him on the field

Aikman struggled without a solid OL

Carter struggles

Hutch struggled.

Is it a coincidence?......I just get a kick on how we can give some excuses to some but not the others.

Our QB play will not get better till we have a decent OL....for the past several seasons....our OL has been one of the worst in the league. We still have trouble converting 3rd and 1 and we still can't stop a blitz.

When Carter has time.....he is pretty effective.......Hutch was also.....Aikman was just great in those timing patterns.

Same goes for a RB.....I wasn't much of a Hambrick fan because he kept on tripping over his own feet and if he did get some room a player 40 to 50 pounds lighter could take him down easily......but how many times did he have someone in the backfield when he just recieved the handoff?.....Emmitt last years was the same......and then it becomes third a long and we blame our QB....whoever it might of been.

The game is still won in the trenches.....we always think of the triplets but they wouldn't of been who they were without a solid OL.

JMHO folks.

Nors · 05-23-2004

Quincy and Hutch were both thrown to the wolves too quickly....most of us agree on this.

And Quincy emerged from the jungle, with papa Parcells, he took his team to the playoffs. Parcells has a year invested in him - his words.

Hutch never made it out, we all have a pet story in the wild without a happy ending. RIP