Von Miller, best athlete in the draft? - Dallas Cowboys Forum

TheCount · 03-06-2011

The more I hear and see of this kid, the more I like him. At this point, I think (were they both on the board somehow at 9), I'd have a hard time choosing between Miller and Peterson.

I think he's gonna be a special one and pound for pound, he just might be a better athlete than Peterson is.

rash · 03-06-2011

He really is the best athlete, but he is far from polished. Now that means he has loads of potential, but if not coached correctly, watch out.

Anyways, I want this dude. Don't care if we have less than 5% chance of getting him; I'm gunna wish for the best

UnoDallas · 03-06-2011

simple answer

NO

Jaxonsdaddd · 03-07-2011

I would love to have Von Miller to add to this teams front 7. Can you imagine third and longs with Demarcus coming one one side and Von coming on the other?? Would be awesome.

TheCount · 03-07-2011

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Originally Posted by UnoDallas

simple answer

NO

Your contribution to this conversation has been invaluable. Keep up the good work.

supercowboy8 · 03-07-2011

my problem with Miller is that he is a great colege player and has all the scouts eyes in workouts and at the combine. But he reminds me of vernon golhston way to much.

Miller is absolutly bad vs the run so no way he could play SOLB and we have Ware at WOLB. Do you want to move Ware to SOLB.

Miller at RILB wouldn't be a bad move, we need a replacement at ILB there and move Lee to LILB. Imagine moving Rat to RE and sendig Ware and Miller on the right side behind Ratliff.

Everyone needs to go look at Miller game tape and see how he plays the run. LSU ran right at him in the cotten bowl, the QB even ran right by him. Miller gets blocked out of the play one on one by TEs. Thats not what you want at SOLB.

TheCount · 03-07-2011

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Originally Posted by supercowboy8

my problem with Miller is that he is a great colege player and has all the scouts eyes in workouts and at the combine. But he reminds me of vernon golhston way to much.

Miller is absolutly bad vs the run so no way he could play SOLB and we have Ware at WOLB. Do you want to move Ware to SOLB.

Miller at RILB wouldn't be a bad move, we need a replacement at ILB there and move Lee to LILB. Imagine moving Rat to RE and sendig Ware and Miller on the right side behind Ratliff.

Everyone needs to go look at Miller game tape and see how he plays the run. LSU ran right at him in the cotten bowl, the QB even ran right by him. Miller gets blocked out of the play one on one by TEs. Thats not what you want at SOLB.

I've said before that I don't think run D will be an issue with Miller. You hear a lot of talk about it, but when I've watched him play, the positives far outweigh the negative.

His run D is a lot better than he's given credit for and his physicality is also vastly underrated.

I definitely am having trouble seeing the connection Gholston has to Miller as well. Gholston's biggest flaw is not run defense, it's that he simply isn't a 3-4 OLB, hence why they tried him at 3-4 DE. Miller has actual experience playing the Elephant at A&M.

I also have yet to see all these TE's that block the guy 1 on 1, you don't become one of the NCAA's most feared pass rushers because TE's are stonewalling you one on one.

supercowboy8 · 03-07-2011

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I've said before that I don't think run D will be an issue with Miller. You hear a lot of talk about it, but when I've watched him play, the positives far outweigh the negative.

His run D is a lot better than he's given credit for and his physicality is also vastly underrated.

I definitely am having trouble seeing the connection Gholston has to Miller as well. Gholston's biggest flaw is not run defense, it's that he simply isn't a 3-4 OLB, hence why they tried him at 3-4 DE. Miller has actual experience playing the Elephant at A&M.

I also have yet to see all these TE's that block the guy 1 on 1, you don't become one of the NCAA's most feared pass rushers because TE's are stonewalling you one on one.

the TEs blocked Miller one on one in the running game.

Miller can rush the passer but is very poor vs the run.

I compare gohston to Miller because of how both flew up the board after there workouts.

Watch the clips see how he is vs the run, how bad he is when the RB coming right at him or how he doesn't even try to tackle the rb more of just hit him.
Miller only wants the glory of sacks. Now I would love to have him as a WOLB or RILB but not to replace spencer at SOLB. Miller belongs on the weak side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDdpgRn7Pk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZcPMjiuho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjeaK1TuvDQ

TheCount · 03-07-2011

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the TEs blocked Miller one on one in the running game.

Miller can rush the passer but is very poor vs the run.

I compare gohston to Miller because of how both flew up the board after there workouts.

Watch the clips see how he is vs the run, how bad he is when the RB coming right at him or how he doesn't even try to tackle the rb more of just hit him.
Miller only wants the glory of sacks. Now I would love to have him as a WOLB or RILB but not to replace spencer at SOLB. Miller belongs on the weak side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDdpgRn7Pk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZcPMjiuho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjeaK1TuvDQ

I think we are seeing completely different things when watching him. On the plays where they are running at him with success, it's not because he's getting manhandled, it's because he goes outside and the run goes in, or the opposite. There aren't a ton of players that can make up for their mistake once they've shot the wrong gap.

I see him stacking guys and shedding, I see him extending his arms to keep men that weigh 70+ lbs more than him off his body with relative ease, I see him picking through trash to get in on plays. On a couple of plays he even tosses guys much larger than himself out of the way in the process of going after the RB.

Does he win every battle? No, of course not. Who does?

supercowboy8 · 03-07-2011

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I think we are seeing completely different things when watching him. On the plays where they are running at him with success, it's not because he's getting manhandled, it's because he goes outside and the run goes in, or the opposite. There aren't a ton of players that can make up for their mistake once they've shot the wrong gap.

I see him stacking guys and shedding, I see him extending his arms to keep men that weigh 70+ lbs more than him off his body with relative ease, I see him picking through trash to get in on plays. On a couple of plays he even tosses guys much larger than himself out of the way in the process of going after the RB.

Does he win every battle? No, of course not. Who does?

only thing I see from miller is great pass rusher and RBs running right by himm and miller fails to get off blocks to get to the RB. Sorry man but I haven't see any evidence in Miller being good vs the run.

I dont want him to win every battle but atleast a few. Bob Strum even talks about it.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...on-miller.html

I think Miller will be a great WOLB or RILB and I would have him at those positions but we have Ware and ware is better than Miller. But at SOLB where a main part of your job is getting off TEs and tackling and stopping the run Miller doesn't show to me that he can do that.

I think mIller= great WOLB very very good pro bowl RILB but average SOLB.

MarionBarberThe4th · 03-07-2011

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I think we are seeing completely different things when watching him. On the plays where they are running at him with success, it's not because he's getting manhandled, it's because he goes outside and the run goes in, or the opposite. There aren't a ton of players that can make up for their mistake once they've shot the wrong gap.

I see him stacking guys and shedding, I see him extending his arms to keep men that weigh 70+ lbs more than him off his body with relative ease, I see him picking through trash to get in on plays. On a couple of plays he even tosses guys much larger than himself out of the way in the process of going after the RB.

Does he win every battle? No, of course not. Who does?

Damn. You really cornered the market for Marcs in your mock

ThreeSportStar80 · 03-07-2011

I think so... He's going to be amazing in the NFL. I want him in a Cowboys uniform although they will be highly unlikely.

TheCount · 03-07-2011

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Damn. You really cornered the market for Marcs in your mock

Hahaha, I didn't even realize that. I think I'm gonna have to go dig up some more so they can all be Marcs.

TheCount · 03-07-2011

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only thing I see from miller is great pass rusher and RBs running right by himm and miller fails to get off blocks to get to the RB. Sorry man but I haven't see any evidence in Miller being good vs the run.

I dont want him to win every battle but atleast a few. Bob Strum even talks about it.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...on-miller.html

Yeah I've read that, I think he's just playing devils advocate. A lot of his arguments seem half hearted if not uninformed. It's one of those things you put together on a lazy sunday with nothing but Youtube as your research tools.

Miller's weight is a legit concern, but it seems like every argument against him is built on that foundation.

You can't knock his athleticism, his explosion, his knowledge of the system, his ability in space, character, etc. so what's the next easiest target? His run defense.

Stautner · 03-07-2011

Miller may well be the best overall athlete in the draft. He is certainly in the running for that label anyway. Unfortunately "best athlete" and 'best football player" aren't necessarily the same thing. I think Milller has a chance to be very good in the right system with the right team, but i don't hink he's an ideal fit for everyone.