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03-15-2011
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Newo
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Originally Posted by Romo 2 Austin
I see potential, he's only 20 remember. If he hits, you potentially have a tackle for a decade and a half. He has the physical tools to be an ELITE blindside protector.
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Aren't your projecting him at RT? Romo is right handed. So that wont be his blindside.
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03-15-2011
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#17
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Intramural Legend
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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Well, as has been pointed out, I'm not an NFL talent evaluator but, I know what I'm seeing in this clip. He's not a RT. He's a LT, at least in this game. He's a rider. By that I mean that he tries to get his hands on you and ride you out of the play. He doesn't lock up, drop his hips and drive his man at all. He lets his guys get too deep into his body and loses his leverage points. He is not using his hands to deliver a pop and he isn't using proper technique. He bends his body but doesn't use his knees. His pad level is whay to high. He kinda slides but never really engages well. I don't know. It's easy to see why a lot of people like his potential but he looks horrible IMO, at least in this game.
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totally agree. He just doesn't look powerful enough. Maybe as an LT finesse pass blocker type, but we have one of those. He really needs to bulk up his legs and his core to really improve his drive, particularly for the run game.
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Originally Posted by TheCount
I think he looks terrible in this game, maybe he looks better in others.
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Thought that too. Everybody is prone to poor games, but he looked like he was getting physically beaten, which should never happen even if you aren't focused.
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03-15-2011
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by CATCH17
Which is ok. You can alway gain strength. You can't gain what he is born with as far as athletic ability.
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Carpenter from Alabama is a very athletic LT, but he's getting pushed down the draft because of his lack of strength and size.
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03-15-2011
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#19
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28 Joker
Joined: | Apr 2007 |
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I just watched some highlights from the USC/UCLA game. I saw Tyron Smith easily getting out to the second level in the running game and blocking defenders and clearing space for the running back to gain significant yards. That is one of the major weaknesses on this old Cowboys offensive line. Smith was easily sealing his man in the run game and showed some good pop and drive blocking. Again, he chips and gets to the second level with ease. On one screen in that game, Smith had the key block that sprung a 40 yard TD.
In one highlight reel, Smith demonstrated the running game skills that Wes Bunting stated that he possessed, in Bunting's scouting report.
Smith is the most athletic and best offensive tackle in this draft, and the team that gets him will get a player in the mold of D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
The days of the mauling "run blocking" RT need to go out the door with Mark Colombo in Dallas. The NFL is evolving, and Dallas likes to throw the ball down the field, and Felix Jones needs blockers on the edge who excel in space and on the second level.
Players like Gabe Carimi are as good as they are going to get. Carimi is not a player who will excel in space and will most likely be better on the right side. I wouldn't draft Carimi in round 1. I think he's a round 2 player.
Smith is 307 now, and he will most likely be in the 310-312 range by the start of the season. It's just my opinion, but I think Smith could give Dallas better LT play than Free gave them last year, especially in pass protection. Free excelled in run blocking according to Pro Football Focus and not pass pass blocking. Again, Free's run blocking was not on Flozell Adams' 2009 level according to Football Outsiders. Adams ranked in the top 5 in two major run blocking categories while Free ranked 14th and 28th respectively.
Having said this, I'd be real happy with Smith playing RT one year before he is moved to LT for good. The entire football field would open up for Felix Jones in the running game and screen game. Plus, Romo would have the most athletically gifted and best pass protector in the draft (20 years old) protecting him, instead of Mark Colombo or some lower tiered player or some scrub like Sam Young.
Last edited by 28 Joker : 03-15-2011 at 08:30 PM.
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03-15-2011
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Run-loving Dino
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He is consistently slow out of his stance. That's one reason he's getting beat a lot here.
Like you said, not very impressive IMO.
I started to joke about this, but it's really true: Is his butt big enough for Houck? You know he loves, almost obsesses about, his guys having a huge butt and legs so he can anchor. I'm not sure he's built the right way for what Houck wants. I can still see HH liking Carimi.
Ivy League
Jason Garrett offense rank minus Tony Sparano: 18, 14, 7, 15, 15
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03-15-2011
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#21
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28 Joker
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I'll leave with this, and then I will shut up.
Is J.J. Watt going to be the cornerstone of your front 4 or front 7?
Cameron Jordan?
DeMarcus Ware is already here.
Anthony Spencer is a better player than both of those players, imso.
Is Prince Amukmara Champ Bailey or Terence Newman, because he better be one of them if you are even considering drafting him at 9 and end up passing on a blue chip OT like Tyron Smith. Even if he was Bailey or Newman (I don't think he is even close to being on their tier), how many Super Bowls has Bailey or Asomugha or Revis won? ZERO
Revis has been to 2 AFC Championship Games, but he has one of the best offensive lines in the NFL, which includes two first round picks and D"Brickashaw Ferguson.
Dallas' offensive line is in horrendous shape, and the steep decline in the run blocking across the board on that offensive line, including Free (when compared to Adams) is alarming. Never mind that the worst RT in the NFL is Mark Colombo, a player who should have been replaced in the 2009 draft.
The average age of Dallas' offensive line will be 33 next season. If this line stays intact or if Sam Young plays RT next year and Kosier stays, it will get ugly in Dallas next year.
Tyron Smith is a cornerstone player on the offensive line, and you don't get in a position to draft guys like this very often. The Cowboys better not blow it.
I can find J.J. Watt and Gabe Carimi talent in the second round. They may be a bit raw, but I'll get better bang for my buck in the long run.
Last edited by 28 Joker : 03-15-2011 at 08:33 PM.
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03-15-2011
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28 Joker
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQVbGkFnexs
USC VS UCLA
Look at this one and look at the 40 yard TD on the screen and the 72 yard rushing TD and tell me who had the key blocks.
On the 72 yard rushing TD, Smith uses his power to drive and seal the defender (double team) and open up a real good running lane. Then he turns around and locks onto a linebacker and clears the other side of the lane out for the running back. Smith came off his double team and turned around and blocked the linebacker in the lane. Result...72 yard TD
Last edited by 28 Joker : 03-15-2011 at 09:08 PM.
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03-15-2011
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Senior Member
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Location: | Artesia, NM |
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I see a right tackle. I get a little knot in my stomach when I watch this video. Normally the best tackle on the field protects the QB's blindside. Why isn't Smith playing on the left side? I'm not sure about this guy to be honest.
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03-15-2011
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#24
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28 Joker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog
I see a right tackle. I get a little knot in my stomach when I watch this video. Normally the best tackle on the field protects the QB's blindside. Why isn't Smith playing on the left side? I'm not sure about this guy to be honest.
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I said that I would shut up. LOL
He's on the right side because it's USC and not Wisconsin or Colorado.
Smith is easily more athletic than any offensive linemen on Dallas' line.
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03-15-2011
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#25
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by 41gy#
I said that I would shut up. LOL
He's on the right side because it's USC and not Wisconsin or Colorado.
Smith is easily more athletic than any offensive linemen on Dallas' line.
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So what your saying is that USC doesn't care about protecting the QB's blindside......I'm just saying. I really don't know much about this guy. I don't remember watching USC play last season.
I'm not a scout, just a fan. But I keep getting Tony Mandrich flashbacks when people talk about Smith.
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03-15-2011
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by 41gy#
I said that I would shut up. LOL
He's on the right side because it's USC and not Wisconsin or Colorado.
Smith is easily more athletic than any offensive linemen on Dallas' line.
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I keep hearing this, Smith is so athletic, he is a physical freak. Look at the best OTs in the NFL. Jake Long isn't a Physical freak or a great athletic freak.
I just don't see the skills to be a great OT in the NFL right now in Smith. If he was a great OT he would be on the left side. USC put him on the left siude for two weeks and moved him back to the right side because he was so bad at pass protection. He can get his head on a DE and he can stay in front of a pac 10 DE.
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03-15-2011
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#28
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Pixel Pusher
Joined: | Aug 2007 |
Location: | New York, NY |
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Originally Posted by 41gy#
Players like Gabe Carimi are as good as they are going to get.
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Maybe you're right, but how could you possibly know this? I understand and can even appreciate that you love Tyron, but I've never seen the point in putting another guy down to prop up your guy.
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Originally Posted by 41gy#
Free excelled in run blocking according to Pro Football Focus and not pass pass blocking.
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That's a bit of an understatement. According to Pro Football Focus, Free was the BEST run blocking tackle in the entire league last year, which boggled my mind. So obviously to compare any other skill set to your best one might not be as excellent, I'd like to know how they ranked his pass blocking but the pro football focus site has become unusable, and frankly pointless, since they went to their new system.
We need wins, and that's all we need. I don't give a damn about anyone on this roster over wins. I'd trade Ware, Lee and Dez if it meant more wins.
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03-16-2011
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Senior Member
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I for drafting Smith if Dareus, Peterson, or Fairly are not there. It is like Mayock said that this is turning into a passing league and you need tackles who can pass protect. Smith, I believe is the best in the draft. There is another point to look at is that Free is not signed and if there is no CBA before the draft this might change how a team drafts. Free might have the leverage after the draft if a CBA is signed afterwards. He could go elsewhere if he is a FA. Then who are the cowboys going to put at LT-Young, Columbo, Bigg. I think Romo would have nightmares and defenses will be licking their chops. There is no sure thing in the draft. Remember, D-Ware was not a sure thing. There were concerns about the level of competition he was playing. Just my 2 cents.
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03-16-2011
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#30
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Pixel Pusher
Joined: | Aug 2007 |
Location: | New York, NY |
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Originally Posted by Bigdog
I for drafting Smith if Dareus, Peterson, or Fairly are not there. It is like Mayock said that this is turning into a passing league and you need tackles who can pass protect. Smith, I believe is the best in the draft. There is another point to look at is that Free is not signed and if there is no CBA before the draft this might change how a team drafts. Free might have the leverage after the draft if a CBA is signed afterwards. He could go elsewhere if he is a FA. Then who are the cowboys going to put at LT-Young, Columbo, Bigg. I think Romo would have nightmares and defenses will be licking their chops. There is no sure thing in the draft. Remember, D-Ware was not a sure thing. There were concerns about the level of competition he was playing. Just my 2 cents.
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Jerry won't let Free go anywhere, even if he has to franchise him.
We need wins, and that's all we need. I don't give a damn about anyone on this roster over wins. I'd trade Ware, Lee and Dez if it meant more wins.
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