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[MarionBarberThe4th]

Originally Posted by realtick

Lol, most of the players would be starters here in Dallas. It's also funny to criticize the Patriots for not being smart, yet they do have Tom Brady, a pick of their own. They also drafted Matt Cassell who led them to an 11-5 record. They also win with no names at the receiver position and a midget at running back in Danny Woodhead.

It comical to criticize them when they are consistantly putting up 11-12 win seasons for the past decade.

They try to be the smartest guys in the room and it keeps coming back to bite them. No pass rush, no big play WR's? Lets get Solder and a 2012 pick. Tom Bradys reaction? Uhhh, I wont be playing forever guys.

Originally Posted by realtick

Brilliant. How can anyone argue with that?

No one would. If they did Jake Locker would just go top 10 again

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by MarionBarberThe4th

They try to be the smartest guys in the room and it keeps coming back to bite them. No pass rush, no big play WR's? Lets get Solder and a 2012 pick. Tom Bradys reaction? Uhhh, I wont be playing forever guys.




No one would. If they did Jake Locker would just go top 10 again

It's like you aren't paying attention. They did draft guy who were supposed to be good RBs and it didn't work. So they made it work with what they had and still went 14-2. That isn't all Brady. Until last year they consistently had one of the best Ds...underrated with top DBs and D-lienman. They then drafted LBs to take their place and are still filling in. The draft is a crapshoot yet somehow they are still relevant. You have no clue how Solder does in the system and now they have 3 2nd rounders with guys like Mike Leshoure sitting there...rated higher than Ingram by many. Let's see what they do. I have a hard time ripping a team that was winning SBs and still hits 11-12 wins a year. Again, that must be all luck, etc. Do it our way and wait another 16 years to matter..lol They won all their SBs with WRs that weren't big play guys so your statement holds no water.

[burmafrd]

Like I asked- when was their last championship? Much more recent then our own of course- but if they are so brilliant why have they not won another since?

[Arch Stanton]

Looks to me as if they drafted one of the two highest guys left on their board.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Like I asked- when was their last championship? Much more recent then our own of course- but if they are so brilliant why have they not won another since?

When was the last time the Steelers won a Super Bowl?

Is that franchise more "brilliant" because it's won a Super Bowl in more recent history?

Why don't we consider his resume since he took over the Patriots in 2000:

Four Super Bowls - 2007, 2004, 2003, 2001 (wins in bold)

Finished 1st place in his division 8 times since 2000 (including 4 championships)

Career record with the Patriots 116-45 (.720 winning %), postseason 15-4 (.789).


Meh, but he hasn't won a Super Bowl in four seasons, so he's really overrated.

Seriously, what were you saying in 1999, four years removed from watching the last Cowboys Super Bowl win and some bonehead fan says "meh, the Cowboys aren't that great....if they were, when was the last time they won a championship?" In doing so, they completely disregard the dominance of that dynasty through the most part of that decade and the brilliance from which they were put together.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by realtick

When was the last time the Steelers won a Super Bowl?

Is that franchise more "brilliant" because it's won a Super Bowl in more recent history?

Why don't we consider his resume since he took over the Patriots in 2000:

Four Super Bowls - 2007, 2004, 2003, 2001 (wins in bold)

Finished 1st place in his division 8 times since 2000 (including 4 championships)

Career record with the Patriots 116-45 (.720 winning %), postseason 15-4 (.789).


Meh, but he hasn't won a Super Bowl in four seasons, so he's really overrated.

[View Full Quote]Seriously, what were you saying in 1999, four years removed from watching the last Cowboys Super Bowl win and some bonehead fan says "meh, the Cowboys aren't that great....if they were, when was the last time they won a championship?" In doing so, they completely disregard the dominance of that dynasty and the brilliance from which they were put together.

Thanks, you beat me to it. I guess brilliance only happens if you win it a record time in a decade and more than anyone in the history of the sport. Forgot about those stats you threw out.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by realtick

Lol, really?

Wow, they grabbed Devin McCourty, Gronkowski, Hernandez, Spikes, et cetera last year.

LOL

They had an awesome draft last year.

[jimnabby]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Like I asked- when was their last championship? Much more recent then our own of course- but if they are so brilliant why have they not won another since?

Yup, all they've managed to do in the last six years is win their division five times, get to the conference championship game twice and the Super Bowl once. Oh yeah, and have a 16-0 year. They must be idiots.

And they finished only 14-2 this past season, a clear indictment of their drafting ability in the past few years.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Originally Posted by jimnabby

Yup, all they've managed to do in the last six years is win their division five times, get to the conference championship game twice and the Super Bowl once. Oh yeah, and have a 16-0 year. They must be idiots.

And they finished only 14-2 this past season, a clear indictment of their drafting ability in the past few years.

And Peyton Manning keeps winning 10 plus games every year. Good QB's tend to do that

[jimnabby]

Originally Posted by MarionBarberThe4th

And Peyton Manning keeps winning 10 plus games every year. Good QB's tend to do that

The Pats won 11 without Brady a couple years ago.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by MarionBarberThe4th

And Peyton Manning keeps winning 10 plus games every year. Good QB's tend to do that

You are actually making a better point for the Patriots as a whole. Cassell won 11 without Brady a couple years back. Manning has had Harrison, Wayne, Dallas Clark and a host of other talented WRs. They also have some guys that play pretty good D by rushing the passer and this has netted them 1 SB. The Pats have had no one at WR, except Moss, backup RBs and other issues yet as a whole they have done everything discussed here and beat above Colt offense in doing it most of the time. That isn't just Brady. That is their team concept. Brady is great but you can't have him being Dan Marino and putting up stats while everyone else sucks to have the sustained success they have had. Sorry.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

And the chiefs won a division w/ Matt Cassell.......

[realtick]

Originally Posted by MarionBarberThe4th

And Peyton Manning keeps winning 10 plus games every year. Good QB's tend to do that

Then Troy Aikman freakin' sucked, because as I remember it, the Cowboys didn't win much of anything after '96.

Logic shot... thanks for playing.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by MarionBarberThe4th

And the chiefs won a division w/ Matt Cassell.......

Yes, a guy the Patriots drafted in the 7th round and groomed. You are looking silly.

[realtick]

What's funny is for some this is really just a "I hate the Patriots" agenda that is underlying the entire thinking going on here.

Right now, all the credit is being lumped onto Tom Brady's shoulders. Ironically, you can bet your bottom dollar that if this was a thread about Brady's greatness, some of these same posters would then revert to saying that Brady was just a product of the system.