Why do we always draft so many projects?

[Corleone]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Sorry, typo. I meant I DON'T think he's a bad player.

Ahh I see, that makes a lot more sense lol

[SDogo]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Yes yes, people keep mentioning that because Mayock mentioned it on the draft broadcast. He wasn't ever going to be ranked higher than Miller or Ayers. I'm not convinced he would have been drafted any higher without the knee injury. So yes, he's a project, he's a smaller player who is coming off a major knee injury that is going to have to play a new position in a new scheme.

Mayock did not have to say it, anyone who more then casually follow the draft knows it.

Believe me, no one is trying to convince you of anything. Either you know what your talking about or you dont.

[SDogo]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

He's small

Now I know your pulling **** from left field. He's bigger then any LB we have on the field.

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

I've never understood this. It seems like every year we have a guy on our board way higher than everyone else does who either has injury concerns or some other kind of concerns, and we always draft him higher than anyone else had them going.

Fact check time--

At pick 9, we chose Tyron Smith, rated 10th overall by NFL Draft Scout...

At pick 40, we chose Bruce Carter, rated 51st by NFLDS...

At pick 71, we chose DeMarco Murray, rated 64th by NFLDS...

Hmmmm, don't see anybody who, as you said "we have a guy on our board way higher than everyone else does"... perhaps you could point him out to me??

[CowboyMike]

Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica

Mike Mayock said Bruce Carter was a TOP 15 pick before the knee injury and the doctors say he should be ready by training camp. ACL injuries are routine and common for today's athletes. So it's in no way career threatening.

I honestly don't understand the criticism of this pick. Bradie James is washed up and we need athletic inside LBers.

How is Bradie James washed up? Honestly, please explain to me why you think this.

He's had consistently the same stats since he became a starter, plus his tackles have steadily increased each year. In fact, he had the most tackles of his career last year. I'm not sure where you're getting that he's washed up.

[baj1dallas]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

It happens again now with Carter. Not that he's a bad player, but you're talking about a guy who is undersized, never played inside and has a major knee injury. This is the very definition of a huge risk.

Never played inside? Did you watch any of his video?

He'll be the nickel LB this year if he works out. That's why they drafted him.

[Corleone]

Originally Posted by silverbear

Fact check time--

At pick 9, we chose Tyron Smith, rated 10th overall by NFL Draft Scout...

At pick 40, we chose Bruce Carter, rated 51st by NFLDS...

At pick 71, we chose DeMarco Murray, rated 64th by NFLDS...

Hmmmm, don't see anybody who, as you said "we have a guy on our board way higher than everyone else does"... perhaps you could point him out to me??

lol owned, thanks for that info. Looks like they got good value then.

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Corleone

lol owned, thanks for that info. Looks like they got good value then.

You'll quickly learn that seldom, if ever, does this board go into full knee-jerk mode without any regards for reality than on draft day... this latest mantra, that the Boys reached for their 2nd and 3rd rounders, is a classic example of that...

One might argue that the picks the Boys went with weren't the absolute best possible picks for them, given the state of the board and their needs... I would disagree with that, but it's a valid argument if you have a certain mindset... but anybody who tries to argue that the Boys reached for Carter and Murray is simply wrong... both players went right about where the consensus had them going...

[Corleone]

Yeah I saw a glimpse of that today. I'm not really in tune to scouting or anything so as long as Dallas is taking players in relatively correct places as far as their rankings go and taking the highest rated player I am fine because they know much more than I do about these things. It's kind of hard to say they reached when the rankings obviously say they didn't

[morasp]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Bruce Carter a project huh?

If not for one play he likely would of been gone in the top 20 picks.

Not typically a place for a "project" to be taken.

As long as the knee is OK I think it was a good move.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

None of these guys can be considered projects.

I'm glad someone else said that besides me.

[Shinywalrus]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

None of these guys can be considered projects.

Depends on what you consider a "project."

I don't think we drafted the "most NFL ready" players at each tier, for example, but went with those with more perceived upside. T. Smith vs. Castonzo. Carter vs. Foster.

If "project" means taking a bit of growing pains for a season or two before the player develops into a full time contributor, then yes, we have drafted two projects.

But in the AOA/Stanback/Crayton sense? No, Carter's a special teams contributor and likely nickel guy pretty soon, and Smith will likely be thrown into the starting lineup, ready or not. But it is fair to say that we picked some guys with bust/injury potential in exchange for what seems to be a fair bit of upside.

[bsheeern]

Funny how you just completely run all these ants away with facts. Projects? Lmao Garrett himself said Murray is a "complete back" most had him going in the 2nd round. You know we had a FB blocking when Romo got hurt. I'll spend a 3rd round pick on any project in the world if that "project" keeps romo upright. Murray will do that among everything else a "complete back" does.

Our defense got killed in nickel situations last year. Bruce can fix that from game 1. The guy above saying Bruce will be playing a different position is reaching pretty hard here. Guess D Ware was a project too huh? Clay Matthews? How about lawrence Taylor? Guess every guy who's ever played in college be listed as a project......

[NorthTexan95]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I'm glad someone else said that besides me.

Carter is a bit of a project going from OLB to ILB. Hopefully it'll be a simple switch for him.

[VACowboy]

James Farrior: 6-2, 243
Larry Foot: 6-1, 239
Keyaron Fox: 6-3, 235
James Harrison: 6-0, 242
Mortty Ivy: 6-1, 239
Chris McCoy: 6-3, 261
Sylvester Stevenson: 6-2, 231
Lawrence Timmons: 6-1, 234
LaMarr Woodly: 6-2, 265
Jason Worilds: 6-1, 262

Timmons, Foote, Farrior and Harrison are all way too small to be playing LB in a 3-4. No wonder the Steeler defense sucks.