Kind of relieved...

[Rack Bauer]

that we aren't gonna get Howard. I just had a bad feeling about him, a kind of "Marcellus Wiley" feeling if you know what I mean.

Plus we get to keep our picks and won't be throwing a ton of cash at a player that simply isn't worth it.

This is a deep draft for DEs anyway (4-3 DEs). There's no apparant "Superstar" DEs, but one or more of them could still possibly turn into a force. If James stays healthy he could very easily be a better DE then Howard. Merriman has all the physical tools (and is actually about as big as Greg Ellis). I just fear Merriman is a workout warrior instead of a football player.

Anyway, let's just hope we get a starter with that second round pick like we have in the past two drafts (with Rogers being the only exception).

[InmanRoshi]

I'm not really get relieved we have to draft for need at a position with about a 40% success rate in the 1st round.

If Darren Howard played in the northeast or a perennial contender, he'd be regarded as one of the best DE's in the league.

[Mike 1967]

Originally Posted by Rack

that we aren't gonna get Howard. I just had a bad feeling about him, a kind of "Marcellus Wiley" feeling if you know what I mean.

Plus we get to keep our picks and won't be throwing a ton of cash at a player that simply isn't worth it.

This is a deep draft for DEs anyway (4-3 DEs). There's no apparant "Superstar" DEs, but one or more of them could still possibly turn into a force. If James stays healthy he could very easily be a better DE then Howard. Merriman has all the physical tools (and is actually about as big as Greg Ellis). I just fear Merriman is a workout warrior instead of a football player.

Anyway, let's just hope we get a starter with that second round pick like we have in the past two drafts (with Rogers being the only exception).

Don't mean to screw up your stress free zone.....but I think the cutoff is Wed.

[Champsheart]

Rack, do you know something the rest of us don't?

We are not getting Howard?

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I don't really get relieved having to draft for need at a position with about a 40% success rate in the 1st round.

If Darren Howard played in the northeast or a perennial contender, he'd be regarded as one of the best DE's in the league.

Now that's funny.

Don't mean to screw up your stress free zone.....but I think the cutoff is Wed.

Doesn't matter. I still don't think we're getting him.

Rack, do you know something the rest of us don't?

We are not getting Howard?

Just my own assumption. If something were to get done it would of got done by now IMO.

I'd rather take a chance on the injury prone Erasmus James (who could possibly play OLB in a 3-4) then to pay huge $$$ for the slightly injury prone Darren Howard.

[conner01]

it's not over yet,he has to sign his offer sheet today and then they have till wednesday to work it out.i still think it will get done.i don't care for this years de's all that much in a 4-3.there are lots of tweeners who fit well in the 3-4 but 4-3 de's are'nt that loaded.a bird in the hand comes to mind here.i did'nt like the deal for dat and a second.but if it's just the 2nd and we can work out a reasonable contract i say take the known over the unknown

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Rack

Now that's funny.

How many defensive ends drafted in the 1st round in the last 5-6 years have met or exceeded expectations? Give me a list.

Because for guys who have either not met expectations or been complete busts I can list Jamal Reynold, Lamar King, Erik Flowers, Justin Smith, Andre Carter, Jerome McDougal, Ebeneezer Ekuban, Courtney Brown, Michael Haynes, Calvin Pace, Tyler Brayton, Vonnie Holliday and Andre Wadsworth just off the top of my head.

I have the feeling you'll soon have your sense of relief replaced with the sheer joy and exhiliration of hearing Dan Cody's name mentioned at the podium with the #11 pick in about 5 weeks. What a rush !!!

[Mike 1967]

Originally Posted by Rack

Doesn't matter. I still don't think we're getting him.

Then your stress free zone is safe. Stress is impacted by perception...not reality.

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by Mike 1967

Don't mean to screw up your stress free zone.....but I think the cutoff is Wed.

and we could still acquire him after that...just because we dont get him this week doesnt mean we wont get him at all

David

[dstew60105]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

How many defensive ends drafted in the 1st round in the last 5-6 years have met or exceeded expectations? Give me a list.

Because for guys who have either not met expectations or been complete busts I can list Jamal Reynold, Lamar King, Erik Flowers, Justin Smith, Andre Carter, Jerome McDougal, Ebeneezer Ekuban, Courtney Brown, Michael Haynes, Calvin Pace, Tyler Brayton, Vonnie Holliday and Andre Wadsworth just off the top of my head.

I have the feeling you'll soon have your sense of relief replaced with the sheer joy and exhiliration of hearing Dan Cody's name mentioned at the podium with the #11 pick in about 5 weeks. What a rush !!!

I fear that as well. Give the 2nd for a proven DE. 8 1/2 sacks a year is better then anyone on our roster. Not sure why anyone would not think Howard is one of the better DE's in the league.

[junk]

The only thing that would scare me off about Howard is if he wanted some astronomical sum. I think he is better than any DE you are going to get in the draft and he is proven.

Everyone is so concerned about keeping draft picks, but eoesn't anyone remember Shante Carver and Ekuban? Massive first round busts.

The beauty of the Losman trade was that it gave Dallas the option of trading a pick for a player, which Jerry had mentioned doing earlier in the offseason and still having two early picks.

Howard is a very, very solid DE, that when paired with Ferguson, Glover and Ellis would have been downright great.

I don't know why anyone would be worried about giving up a second. The team doesn't really need another Jacob Rogers sitting on the bench, but rather a productive starter.

[JackMagist]

I'm not going to write off the deal until Jerry comes out ands says the deal is dead...or Howard signs with someone else.

I'm luke warm on the deal for Howard. I like getting the player but the injury concerns are a bother for me as is giving up too much to get him. If the deal is right then I'm for it but I do not want ot give up our future for him. Luckily Jerry seems to be having the same attitude; otherwise we would have the deal done already.

[Rack Bauer]

I have the feeling you'll soon have your sense of relief replaced with the sheer joy and exhiliration of hearing Dan Cody's name mentioned at the podium with the #11 pick in about 5 weeks. What a rush !!!

We won't be drafting Mr. Steroid Boy/Bi-Polar Boy.


And here's a list of DEs drafted in the last 5 drafts (first round), excluding last years (since it's still too early too tell with that draft, plus 1 of those DEs has been moved to OLB - Jason Babin).

2003:

Michael Haynes: Bust, but I could of told you that he'd suck before he was drafted.

Jerome McDougle: Thought he was overated at the time. He's been "ok". Better then I expected, but still nothing spectacular.

Calvin Pace: The Cards drafted him. Nuff said. This guy was rated as a 2nd or 3rd round pick and the Cards took him in the first. They also drafted that WR (Johnson) in the first that year, another guy that should of been a 2nd rounder.

Tyler Brayton: Last pick of the first round that year. Another guy I could of told you would never be anything special.

2002:

Julius Peppers: Well worth the pick, and then some.

Dwight Freeney: Ditto.

Bryan Thomas: Hasn't had much of a chance in NY playign behind Ellis and Abraham. Has been solid, but could probably be more if he had more PT.

Charles Grant: Well worth the pick. I'd rather have him then Darren HOward.

2001:

Justin Smith: Solid, but not spectacular. Not playing like the 4th pick in the draft, that's for sure.

Andre Carter: Started off great, but has regressed since. Don't know what happened to him.

Jamal Reynolds: Another DE that should of never been drafted in the first.

2000:

Courtney Brown: A helluva lot better player then his stats indicate. His only problem is injuries. Oh, and playing for the Browns. It's no coincidence they had 3 #1 picks in a row turn into "Busts". Their coaching was horrible during that time.

Shaun Ellis: Great pick.

Erik Flowers: Shouldn't of been drafted in the first.

1999:

Ebenezer Ekuban: We all know he shouldn't of been a first rounder.

Lamar King: Bust

Patrick Kerney: Great pick (if only we'd taken him instead of Ekubust).



There's been some good ones, and some bad ones. But most of us could of predicted that bad ones cuz most of them shouldn't of been first round picks anyway.

I'd still rather take a chance on a David Pollack, Erasmus James, Shawne Merriman or Marcus Spears.

Or, if we got to a 3-4, a Demarcus Ware or Justin Tuck in the second round.

[InmanRoshi]

There's been some good ones, and some bad ones.

Looks to me like the good one vs. bad one ratio is running at about 3:7.

Boy, I sure am glad we're drafting for need at this position. I don't see how this could possibly go wrong.

[Rack Bauer]

I don't know why anyone would be worried about giving up a second. The team doesn't really need another Jacob Rogers sitting on the bench, but rather a productive starter.

Funny you mention Rogers but "Forget" about Julius Jones and Al Johnson.