Ny Giants Are Still 5.4 Million Under The Cap With Burress, Mckenzie, Pierce, Etc?? - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Michael88Irvin · 03-18-2005

How is this possible??!! We sign 4 top FAs and we use up 12-14 of our 20M cushion... the NYG sign several top FAs and still have 5M left?! (when they started out with 9 or 10M available)

(got this from a gloating Giants Fan)

2005 Giants Salary Cap (estimate)
# Name Pos. Base Bonus Cap # End Year Years Left Notes
1 Strahan, Michael DE $5.250 $2.228 $7.478 2008 4
2 Barber, Tiki RB $4.250 $2.078 $6.328 2006 2
3 Toomer, Amani WR $1.990 $3.725 $5.715 2008 4 2004 Signing Bonus and 2005 Roster Bonus based on Press Reports
4 Petitgout, Luke OT $3.750 $1.625 $5.375 2008 4
5 Williams, Shaun S $3.000 $1.058 $4.058 2008 4 Reported $900,000 April 1, 2005 bonus not included
6 Allen, Will CB $2.275 $0.848 $3.123 2005 1
7 McKenzie, Kareem OT $0.550 $2.500 $3.050 2011 7 Press Reports only
8 Shockey, Jeremy TE $1.723 $1.179 $2.902 2007 3
9 Emmons, Carlos LB $1.840 $1.000 $2.840 2008 4 Press Reports only
10 Manning, Eli QB $0.305 $2.300 $2.605 2010 6 Press Reports only
11 Peterson, Will CB $0.900 $1.523 $2.423 2009 5 Press Reports only with estimated $3.2 m (of $5 m maximum) option bonus earned
12 Robbins, Fred DT $1.590 $0.667 $2.257 2009 5 Press Reports only
13 Seubert, Rich OL $1.250 $0.883 $2.133 2007 3 Assumes a $1.6 m option bonus was paid following the 2003 season (questionable)
14 Green, Barrett LB $1.465 $0.550 $2.015 2008 4 Press Reports only
15 O'Hara, Shaun OL $1.250 $0.667 $1.917 2006 2 Press Reports only
16 Burress, Plaxico WR $0.550 $1.000 $1.550 2010 6 Press Reports only (Base Salary assumed)
17 Whittle, Jason OL $1.300 $1.300 2007 3
18 Pierce, Antonio LB $0.550 $0.650 $1.200 2010 6 Press Reports only
19 Joseph, William DT $0.560 $0.532 $1.092 2009 5
20 Alexander, Brent S $0.820 $0.225 $1.045 2007 3 SB: Educated Guess (900k)
21 Carter, Tim WR $0.555 $0.367 $0.922 2005 1
22 Stokes, Barry OL $0.750 $0.143 $0.893 2008 4 Deductive based on Press Reports (Questionable)
23 Feagles, Jeff P/K $0.765 $0.100 $0.865 2007 3
24 Feely, Thomas Jay P/K $0.540 $0.253 $0.793 2007 3 Press Reports only
25 Snee, Chris OL $0.400 $0.383 $0.783 2009 5 Press Reports only
26 Kuehl, Ryan LS $0.665 $0.065 $0.730 2007 3
27 Lewis, Kevin LB $0.540 $0.150 $0.690 2005 1
28 Umenyiora, Osi DE $0.380 $0.291 $0.671 2006 2
29 Shiancoe, Vishante TE $0.380 $0.143 $0.523 2005 1
30 Clancy, Kendrick DT $0.455 $0.025 $0.480 2005 1
31 Miller, Jim QB $0.455 $0.020 $0.475 2005 1
32 Kelly, Lewis OL $0.455 $0.455 2005 1
33 Winey, Brandon OT $0.455 $0.455 2005 1
34 Torbor, Reggie LB $0.305 $0.125 $0.430 2006 2 SB: Educated Guess (375k)
35 Diehl, David OL $0.380 $0.036 $0.416 2005 1
36 Ponder, Willie WR $0.380 $0.019 $0.399 2005 1
37 Walker, Frank CB $0.380 $0.015 $0.395 2005 1
38 Tyree, David WR $0.380 $0.014 $0.394 2005 1
39 Lucier, Wayne OL $0.380 $0.009 $0.389 2005 1
40 Brightful, Lamont CB $0.380 $0.380 2005 1
41 Luzar, Chris TE $0.380 $0.380 2006 2
42 Burns, Curry S $0.380 $0.380 2005 1
43 Wilson, Gibril S $0.305 $0.050 $0.355 2006 2 SB: Educated Guess (150k)
44 Taylor, Jamaar WR $0.305 $0.025 $0.330 2007 3 Press Reports only
45 Johnson, Eddie P/K $0.305 $0.305 2005 1
46 Deloatch, Curtis CB $0.305 $0.305 2006 2
47 Hollowell, T.J. LB $0.305 $0.305 2005 1
48 Jones, Mark PR $0.305 $0.305 2005 1
49 Lorenzen, Jared QB $0.305 $0.305 2007 3
50 Ward, Derrick RB $0.305 $0.305 2005 1
51 Duckett, Damane DT $0.305 $0.305 2005 1

Released
# Name Pos. Bonus
1 Stoutmire, Omar S $0.218
2 Cousin, Terry CB $0.600
3 Bromell, Lorenzo DE $0.200
4 Chase, Martin DT $0.080
5 Warner, Kurt QB $1.000
6 Hilliard, Ike WR $2.250
7 Hand, Norman DT $0.170
8 Washington, Keith DE $0.233

Total Cap $85.500
Committed $80.276
Remaining $5.224

CowboyChris · 03-18-2005

its just "fuzzy" math.

Vertigo_17 · 03-18-2005

my guess is that the contracts are back loaded...whereas we take most of the cap hit today. It's like financing a car for 36 months or 84. What would you rather do?

Giants = Foreskins

jksmith269 · 03-18-2005

WHo did this math Dan Snyder??????? LOL

off topic
They (Washington) were reported the other day to be 2.1 under then sign the FS Pioulet(sp) and looking at courtney Brown....... I bet they would trade there 1st round pick.....

jksmith269 · 03-18-2005

On march 4th they were according to Espn 5.6 under the cap.......deduct any players signed since then keeping in mind Ro51 I would think there around 4mil under

THUMPER · 03-18-2005

I don't see that list taking into account the Giants rookie pool. They have to allocate a certain amount to sign their draft picks so I don't think they have anywhere near $5+ million left under the cap. AdamJT13 estimated our rookies would cost us @ $2.8 million of cap space ($4.5 million overall but take into account the RO51).

As someone else said, fuzzy math.

dbair1967 · 03-18-2005

honestly, who cares?

David

jksmith269 · 03-18-2005

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Originally Posted by THUMPER

I don't see that list taking into account the Giants rookie pool. They have to allocate a certain amount to sign their draft picks so I don't think they have anywhere near $5+ million left under the cap. AdamJT13 estimated our rookies would cost us @ $2.8 million of cap space ($4.5 million overall but take into account the RO51).

As someone else said, fuzzy math.

As long as you have atleast 60 players tendered or under contract and $100 you can draft as many players as you have picks for...... You don't set asside money for the Rookie Pool its just a figure of speach..... A lot of teams go into the draft barely below the cap and draft good players and after June 1 they cut some older players or redo there contracts and are then able to sign the Rookies........your 2.8 and 4.5 are good......

**jobberone** · 03-18-2005

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Originally Posted by dbair1967

honestly, who cares?

David

I don't want NFC East competitors buying better and faster cars than us.

dbair1967 · 03-19-2005

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Originally Posted by jobberone

I don't want NFC East competitors buying better and faster cars than us.

cant say Plaxico Burress and Kareem McKenzie make me lose any sleep, especially Burress

they still have alot of holes to fill

David

Silverstar · 03-19-2005

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Originally Posted by dbair1967

cant say Plaxico Burress and Kareem McKenzie make me lose any sleep, especially Burress

they still have alot of holes to fill

David

With Manning, Barber, Toomer, Burress and Shockey...they look pretty formidable to me. At least they have a true franchise QB starting now...we certainly don't.

The Jints are quietly getting it done IMO.

:jints:

**MichaelWinicki** · 03-19-2005

Too bad the players hate the coaches' guts and a revolt is just around the corner. Wait till "Plexiglass" gets a full load of coach Tom.

NEWTONBOYS · 03-19-2005

Plexiglass thats a good one LOL.

dbair1967 · 03-19-2005

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Originally Posted by Silverstar

With Manning, Barber, Toomer, Burress and Shockey...they look pretty formidable to me. At least they have a true franchise QB starting now...we certainly don't.

The Jints are quietly getting it done IMO.

:jints:

they have a guy who MIGHT be a franchise QB...nothing I saw last yr indicates to me he is

Barber and Toomer are another yr older, and Toomer is coming off a bad yr...Jeremy Shockey is one of the most overrated players in football...unless your looking for a guy who's guaranteed to drop at least one or two easy ones a game and wont block, dont see why anyone would want him...

I bet the Giants will be lucky to win 6 games

David

dbair1967 · 03-19-2005

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Too bad the players hate the coaches' guts and a revolt is just around the corner. Wait till "Plexiglass" gets a full load of coach Tom.

good point...that should be entertaining

David