what is our most urgent need????

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Dale

Heck, you could even throw versatile fullback and competition at kicker on the list.

I think entering this offseason, a lot of people felt there were 10 or so positions that really needed to be upgraded.

TE is OK....I would support cutting Landon Trusty so that I can have room for a serviceable player on the PS.

Waste of a roster spot.

[Cbz40]

Originally Posted by jksmith269

What is our most urgent need right now to be filled in the draft. This is considering the Howard trade does not take place.

Many people say we need to continue our D overhaul. I for one will have to disagree. Our defense is good I agree we need a DE and a LB but I also think that we need a young Receiver more. That said what would I do? and why?

So would I take a DE like Merriman over Mike Williams>

Yes The reason being this is one of the best WR classes I've seen in years. You can get Willimson, or Reggie Brown UGA, or WHite with the 20th pick or later. While DE'S like Merriman or LB like DJ are few and far between. You may say well pollack would be avaliable at 20 I would answer SO! I don't think Pollack will have the same success in the NFL that he had at UGA. JMO

[View Full Quote]Now if we get Howard I would jump on Mike WIlliams at 11 if he's not avaliable and DJ were gone I would try and trade the Pick with the new draft value chart just released we could easly pick up a a later first round pick and a third this year and a second next. IMO

Draft value link for 2005 is this the one teams use? I have no Idea.

http://www.askthecommish.com/2005nfl...alue_board.asp

I would have to strongly disagree that right now our D is good. Yes, we have gotten stronger at CB and NT but weaker at S and LB.

We gained a NT and an experienced CB. We lost Coakley and have not signed a RDE that can put pressure on the QB. We still do not have a FS other than Davis or Hunter which lack in experience. and at the moment we are asking one of the young LB to fill Coakleys' shoes.

Even If the young S and LB come through for us.....Untill we get the DE or the tweener that can pressure the QB we aren't any better off on D than we were last season.

[Chuck 54]

I'm not concerned with our needs going into the first day of the draft....Best Player available on day one....needs should only come into play if two players are equal on your board and on the 2nd day....and I think our history in the draft proves this is the correct theory.

Right now, DE is the absolute most important need if Wiley is gone...no other starters are on the roster.

At least we have starting WR's, LB's with Brady James, and we have some guys who can play FS and RT, but surely we're not going to start Coleman, Ogbogu or Thornton at DE....guys who couldn't beat out Wiley.

1. DE
2. FS
3. WR
4. LB or another CB, imo.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Dale

1. Pass-rushing defensive end (Howard?)
2. Free safety (Josh Bullocks?)
3. Outside linebacker (Derrick Johnson?)
4. Backup running back (??)
5. Wide receiver (Mark Clayton?)
6. Right tackle (??)

Now this is a guy who has his priorities straight.

I can go for exactly that order of need. My problem is, I don't see enough games to comment on players skill levels etc. Factor in the competition they're facing and I'm really lost to be honest.

I can keep up with the obvious picks and I do my own research by reading, but this limits my - and other posters who are to proud admit it - ability to accurately predict picks in the later rounds or even picks early in the draft.

The whole thing becomes a big huge mess and almost everyone is speculating. Only a great few really know what's going on as far as the agenda. And then after that, even those people close to the situation couldn't predict what was going to happen before the draft and be 100% correct.

This makes it interesting, but it starts to become a headache for BnA.

But I do like the priorities and I feel that we should still address need and do it by filling positions with quality players in free agency and the draft. I especially like this posters ablity to see that FS is a huge area of need and has it high on his list of priorities.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by Cbz40

I would have to strongly disagree that right now our D is good. Yes, we have gotten stronger at CB and NT but weaker at S and LB.

We gained a NT and an experienced CB. We lost Coakley and have not signed a RDE that can put pressure on the QB. We still do not have a FS other than Davis or Hunter which lack in experience. and at the moment we are asking one of the young LB to fill Coakleys' shoes.

Even If the young S and LB come through for us.....Untill we get the DE or the tweener that can pressure the QB we aren't any better off on D than we were last season.

I disagree that we've gotten weaker at safety. We're weak there, make no mistake, but all we're doing is treading water from last season.

All we have done is choose not to re-sign the guy who was benched midway through the season last year in favor of Lynn Scott, whom has been re-signed. I realize Woodson retired, but that guy hasn't played a football game for us in more than a season, so I hardly consider him relevant any longer.

[Juke99]

Originally Posted by Dale

Heck, you could even throw versatile fullback and competition at kicker on the list.

I think entering this offseason, a lot of people felt there were 10 or so positions that really needed to be upgraded.

But that's what's so crazy about this thing we call the National Football League. Last year's roster, which we want to upgrade over so desperately, was nearly the same team that took us to the playoffs the year before.

It's truly amazing we made the playoffs with that squad. It's also sad how weak the NFC is.

Considering the game philosophy that Parcells employs, I would consider a placekicker to be very close to an urgent need...I don't know about you but when I see Cundiff coming on to the field, it doesn't exactly evoke warm fuzzy feelings...

I think the playoff team caught everyone by surprise in the early part of the season...Parcells put together a game plan that hid the weaknesses on offense. I think Carter gave the team more versatility than Testaverde (not that I liked either)...and the defense played lights out.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by jksmith269

What is our most urgent need right now to be filled in the draft. This is considering the Howard trade does not take place.

Many people say we need to continue our D overhaul. I for one will have to disagree. Our defense is good I agree we need a DE and a LB but I also think that we need a young Receiver more. That said what would I do? and why?

So would I take a DE like Merriman over Mike Williams>

Yes The reason being this is one of the best WR classes I've seen in years. You can get Willimson, or Reggie Brown UGA, or WHite with the 20th pick or later. While DE'S like Merriman or LB like DJ are few and far between. You may say well pollack would be avaliable at 20 I would answer SO! I don't think Pollack will have the same success in the NFL that he had at UGA. JMO

[View Full Quote]Now if we get Howard I would jump on Mike WIlliams at 11 if he's not avaliable and DJ were gone I would try and trade the Pick with the new draft value chart just released we could easly pick up a a later first round pick and a third this year and a second next. IMO

Draft value link for 2005 is this the one teams use? I have no Idea.

http://www.askthecommish.com/2005nfl...alue_board.asp

I was very skeptical of the idea of Pollack being an upright DE in the 3-4 but it appears my skepticism may have been wrong. Still not sure but there is a lot of rumblings about Pollack being able to transition and playing either traditional 4-3 or 3-4.

So my opinion of him is changing. And I saw him play many times. Everytime I saw the same guy show up no matter the competition.

Not saying I would take him as I don't know what I would do. I would really have to be on the inside and then I still think it would be difficult. That's assuming coaching in the NFL for 20 years with all the input at my disposal.

But to your point IMO we need either someone on the front seven on defense and preferably DT or DE or OT. Or both in the first. And that's assuming we have that opportunity and keep those picks.

This will be a very interesting draft as there still no consensus number one yet.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

Now this is a guy who has his priorities straight.

I can go for exactly that order of need. My problem is, I don't see enough games to comment on players skill levels etc. Factor in the competition they're facing and I'm really lost to be honest.

I can keep up with the obvious picks and I do my own research by reading, but this limits my - and other posters who are to proud admit it - ability to accurately predict picks in the later rounds or even picks early in the draft.

The whole thing becomes a big huge mess and almost everyone is speculating. Only a great few really know what's going on as far as the agenda. And then after that, even those people close to the situation couldn't predict what was going to happen before the draft and be 100% correct.

This makes it interesting, but it starts to become a headache for BnA.

[View Full Quote]But I do like the priorities and I feel that we should still address need and do it by filling positions with quality players in free agency and the draft. I especially like this posters ablity to see that FS is a huge area of need and has it high on his list of priorities.

I'm not too proud. I don't watch much college football and am no expert on many players. I only know the players I choose to watch.

I am a HS and NFL aficionado....kinda against the norm, as most are college fans, but oh well.

[Cbz40]

Originally Posted by Dale

I disagree that we're waker at safety.

All we have done is choose not to re-sign the guy who was benched midway through the season last year in favor of Lynn Scott, whom has been re-signed. I realize Woodson retired, but that guy hasn't played a football game for us in more than a season, so I hardly consider him relevant any longer.

Ok......how about same as? Which in my book= weak or unproven or still lack experience. A big ?????????

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Juke99

Considering the game philosophy that Parcells employs, I would consider a placekicker to be very close to an urgent need...I don't know about you but when I see Cundiff coming on to the field, it doesn't exactly evoke warm fuzzy feelings...

I think the playoff team caught everyone by surprise in the early part of the season...Parcells put together a game plan that hid the weaknesses on offense. I think Carter gave the team more versatility than Testaverde (not that I liked either)...and the defense played lights out.

Cundiff gives me as much reason to take a few Rolaids as any play I ever saw Vinny make. I would have given my dead grandfather's life for Vinatieri to have come loose.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

Now this is a guy who has his priorities straight.

I can go for exactly that order of need. My problem is, I don't see enough games to comment on players skill levels etc. Factor in the competition they're facing and I'm really lost to be honest.

I can keep up with the obvious picks and I do my own research by reading, but this limits my - and other posters who are to proud admit it - ability to accurately predict picks in the later rounds or even picks early in the draft.

The whole thing becomes a big huge mess and almost everyone is speculating. Only a great few really know what's going on as far as the agenda. And then after that, even those people close to the situation couldn't predict what was going to happen before the draft and be 100% correct.

This makes it interesting, but it starts to become a headache for BnA.

[View Full Quote]But I do like the priorities and I feel that we should still address need and do it by filling positions with quality players in free agency and the draft. I especially like this posters ablity to see that FS is a huge area of need and has it high on his list of priorities.

Yeah, I have much trouble really keeping up with the prospects beyond the top three rounds -- and even in just those rounds, there are a number of gaps of prospects that I'm not too familiar with.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Dale

Yeah, I have much trouble really keeping up with the prospects beyond the top three rounds -- and even in just those rounds, there are a number of gaps of prospects that I'm not too familiar with.

Me too. . .that's why I depend on guys like you to keep me up to speed.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by Cbz40

Ok......how about same as? Which in my book= weak or unproven or still lack experience. A big ?????????

No, I definitely agree we're terribly weak at the position...just didn't think we've gotten any worse this offseason.

Unless you consider re-signing Lynn Scott as subtraction by addition.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I'm not too proud. I don't watch much college football and am no expert on many players. I only know the players I choose to watch.

I am a HS and NFL aficionado....kinda against the norm, as most are college fans, but oh well.

It seems that way. . .but I've run across alot of people who like pro football better - even college players and former college players. It's kind of interesting.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Dale

No, I definitely agree we're terribly weak at the position...just didn't think we've gotten any worse this offseason.

Unless you consider re-signing Lynn Scott as subtraction by addition.

Lynn Scott......wow. The only person in pro football I have ever seen take worse angles of pursuit was, well....Tony Dixon.