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SuspectCorner · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by Juke99

I realize it's not popular to say this around here but that tackling technique, which is a Roy trademark, has made me very uncomfortable. It's not a desperation tackle where the only thing he's got left to bring the guy down with is his jersey. In fact, Roy positions himself to make that tackle.

I LOVE to watch Roy pulverize opponents. Fav all time hit was the one he layed on Toomer..and that was thiiiiis close to being penalized.

So, I'm not a fan of flag football rules. In fact, I used to love to watch Jack Tatum, Butkus, Atwater...our own Cliff Harris, Too Tall, etc...

But this tackle, in my estimation, is done with the intent to cause harm in a different way than a massive hit.

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i get zero satisfaction from seeing opponent players injured to the point they cannot continue. ZERO. this includes TO.

but give me an example of this "bush league" technique injuring players - that DOESN'T include roy williams.

juke, with all due respect, i have to say i strongly disagree with you.

football is a game of contact and roy, no matter how soft-spoken and nice off the field, is one of the more violent persons playing it.

roy is gonna hurt a lot of players during his career. some worse than others. yet he he is creating nothing new to the NFL in the way he tackles. he just does it with more force than we are accustomed to.

roy is dangerous man on the gridiron. but should the league hamstring defenders with yet another piece of legislation that will provide offenses with an unfair advantage - just because roy hurt a few guys?

i don't like the direction football is moving in. they will eventually legislate this sport into a cotillion dance.

Aikmaniac · 03-23-2005

I wonder how BP approaches Roy this offseason for this particular rule?

Does he tell him to alter his techniques or does he say to not let this hinder his style?

jimmy40 · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by Aikmaniac

I wonder how BP approaches Roy this offseason for this particular rule?

Does he tell him to alter his techniques or does he say to not let this hinder his style?

He tells him to quit grabbing the back collar of shoulderpads.

Aikmaniac · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by jimmy40

He tells him to quit grabbing the back collar of shoulderpads.

Oh, ok.

Everlastingxxx · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by Juke99

But there's just something about that horse collar tackling technique that bugs me and feels similar to going after a guy's knees. It just feels kinda "bush league" to me.

Good to know someone out there can see things from a non-bias angle. When i first saw Roy tackle TO...i shook my head and turned around and told my gf "every time he tackles like this, he hurts someone."

jimmy40 · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by Everlastingxxx

Good to know someone out there can see things from a non-bias angle. When i first saw Roy tackle OT...i shook my head and turned around and told my gf "every time he tackles like this, he hurts someone."

I don't understand why he does it. Roy can hit a ton and can tackle with the best of safeties, he doesn't need to do this. It's a chickn chit way to tackle.

Danny White · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by Juke99

Yeah...interesting perspective...I've wondered the same thing...

In fact, I really can't recall ever seeing a player attempt to tackle in this manner.

With all due respect, I think you're wrong about this Juke. Since the TO injury, I started looking for this tackle and I noticed at least a dozen other times -- in college and pro games -- where a player (usually in the secondary) made a horse collar tackle. Usually the player is much smaller and lighter than Roy, so the net effect is simply a harmless drag-down and not nearly as devastating as what he does, but these tackles happen.

I remember seeing one in a college game where a CB horse collared a big reciever or TE and was actually dragged into the endzone by the reciever. I remember it because I had it TIVOed and I rewound it and made my wife watch it over and over while I ranted about how this is the same kind of tackle Roy gets crucified over simply because he executes it better.

Also, the TO tackle was a desperation tackle that probably saved a touchdown.

And the Musa Smith one, as many others have pointed out, wasn't really a horse collar, and the injury was brought about not by the force of Musa being dragged down, but by the momentum of Roy's body being swung into Musa's leg, mostly due in fact to the stiff-arm.

Doomsday101 · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by jimmy40

I don't understand why he does it. Roy can hit a ton and can tackle with the best of safeties, he doesn't need to do this. It's a chickn chit way to tackle.

When your trying to tackle a guy from behind it is because the ball carrier got behind the defender. There is nothing chicken about it and many players do the same thing.

Aikmaniac · 03-23-2005

I think he did the same in the pro bowl. Didn't someone make some clips of this year's pro bowl?

jimmy40 · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

When your trying to tackle a guy from behind it is because the ball carrier got behind the defender. There is nothing chicken about it and many players do the same thing.

Roy was not behind TO, he came from the side and went straight for the back collar of the shoulder pads. Show me video of all these MANY other players that do this.

Aikmaniac · 03-23-2005

jimmy, TO juked Roy and was running away from him. We all know Roy isn't catching TO if he turns that corner. That was a great tackle...blame TO's cleats or the turf for the injury.

Doomsday101 · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by jimmy40

Roy was not behind TO, he came from the side and went straight for the back collar of the shoulder pads. Show me video of all these MANY other players that do this.

He came from an angle and grabbed a very strong WR with decent speed, you bring a guy down any way you can, if not TO has proven time and again he will break away from the defender. You can cry all you want but this is football not touch football and again every one does it.

Everlastingxxx · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by Danny White

Also, the TO tackle was a desperation tackle that probably saved a touchdown.

And the Musa Smith one, as many others have pointed out, wasn't really a horse collar, and the injury was brought about not by the force of Musa being dragged down, but by the momentum of Roy's body being swung into Musa's leg, mostly due in fact to the stiff-arm.

TO was surrounded by Cowboys. Roy could have easily tackled him WITHOUT the Horse Collar.

Musa, Roy let Musa beat him, then came in high. (Roy loves to tackle high, wonder why?) Roy then leaves the ground, so he can use his weight to bring the player down. Had Musa not stiff armed, he might have left with TWO broken legs.

How about the Calico injury. Calico was running towards the sidelines...why do you need to stop his progress with a collar tackle? Remember earlier in the game Roy was humiliated by Brown...why? Because Roy was going for his collar.

Chief · 03-23-2005

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Originally Posted by AmishCowboy

he "has to deal with it twice a year".

Andy "has to deal with it twice a year?"

I think Andy should be more worried about his heart, which has to "deal with" pumping blood through 400 pounds of whale blubber to keep him alive every day.

Or more worried about his own ankles that have to carry around that enormous carcass every day.

Andy Reid ... the poster boy for health and safety.

Hollywood Henderson · 03-23-2005

Your right Danny!
I am offended by these "Girly men" talk...Maybe they should go watch golf?