3-4 Question

[DLCassidy]

If we went to a 3-4, why couldn't Greg Ellis go to RDE, La'Roi Glover go to LDE and Ferguson as NT? All three would seem to have what it takes to make the moves. Then we could trade down to late 1st with both 1st rounders for picks and still pick up a Crowder and a Ware or Tuck and have enough choices for other needs. And if we went that way it would mean we wouldn't need Howard. Thoughts?

[VACowboy]

Originally Posted by DLCassidy

If we went to a 3-4, why couldn't Greg Ellis go to RDE, La'Roi Glover go to LDE and Ferguson as NT? All three would seem to have what it takes to make the moves. Then we could trade down to late 1st with both 1st rounders for picks and still pick up a Crowder and a Ware or Tuck and have enough choices for other needs. And if we went that way it would mean we wouldn't need Howard. Thoughts?

Glover is a one-gap DT used to using his quickness to penetrate the OL. 3-4 DE's are required to occupy a pair of linemen and push them back into the quarterback. That's not Glovers game. Ellis is a 3-4 DE all the way, IMHO. He only weighs 270 pounds and would get pushed around by double teams.

[MinnesotaCowboy]

Originally Posted by DLCassidy

If we went to a 3-4, why couldn't Greg Ellis go to RDE, La'Roi Glover go to LDE and Ferguson as NT? All three would seem to have what it takes to make the moves. Then we could trade down to late 1st with both 1st rounders for picks and still pick up a Crowder and a Ware or Tuck and have enough choices for other needs. And if we went that way it would mean we wouldn't need Howard. Thoughts?

Howard is also a 4-3 guy.......

[Q_the_man]

Originally Posted by DLCassidy

If we went to a 3-4, why couldn't Greg Ellis go to RDE, La'Roi Glover go to LDE and Ferguson as NT? All three would seem to have what it takes to make the moves. Then we could trade down to late 1st with both 1st rounders for picks and still pick up a Crowder and a Ware or Tuck and have enough choices for other needs. And if we went that way it would mean we wouldn't need Howard. Thoughts?

I think we Ellis, Glover and Fergy can man the front 3 easily.....

Then say if Mike Williams is gone I say go for DJ with #11 or trade down to like #17 and a 2nd, then grab Williamson With say #17, draft Blaylock @20,Tuck and the FS from Nebraska in the 2nd

[ManicDepressiveMan]

Originally Posted by Q_the_man

I think we Ellis, Glover and Fergy can man the front 3 easily.....

Yeah, they would easily get the ball ran down their throats.

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by DLCassidy

If we went to a 3-4, why couldn't Greg Ellis go to RDE, La'Roi Glover go to LDE and Ferguson as NT? All three would seem to have what it takes to make the moves. Then we could trade down to late 1st with both 1st rounders for picks and still pick up a Crowder and a Ware or Tuck and have enough choices for other needs. And if we went that way it would mean we wouldn't need Howard. Thoughts?

Glover is an impact player at his current position as a 4-3 DT. Expecting him to be any better than average as a 3-4 DE is wishful thinking. We certainly can't expect it.

Ellis is a very good LDE in the 4-3. Even he has admitted to being uncomfortable with the idea of going to a 3-4 set-up. In fact, (as per some article I read here a few weeks ago), Elis is more likely to project at LB in the 3-4. It was mentioned that he would project to being a Willie McGinest type player(position wise, not necessarily production wise). That leaves a big hole.

Although Ferguson has the size to play a 3-4 NT, he is more comfortable in the 4-3, since he's played most of his career in that defense.

So in a nutshell, I'd have to say I'd pass on those ideas.

[blindzebra]

We are not going to a 3-4, we don't have the LBs and it is stupid to play Ellis and Glover out of position just so we can switch.

We are a DE and OLB away from a REALLY GOOD 4-3. We are a DE and 3 LBs away from a solid 3-4.

[DLCassidy]

Ok, so if the 3-4 is out, then why all the talk about tweener DE/OLB's?

[Hollywood Henderson]

A 3-4 is NOT out...

Glover might be traded...(I do agree he doesn't seem to fit well )

Ellis is strong & quick enough to play a 3-4 DE...

Howard is strong enough to play the other DE spot!

Its getting PARCELLS to take over on D from clueless zimmy WUSS's never pressure the QB "occupy & engage" passive & predictable CRAP!

That is the key, getting rid of zimmy for a D that does work!

I predict Todd Bowles is next years new DC while zimmy WUSS is sent trying to have a battle of wits with some pee wee league football coaches...

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by DLCassidy

Ok, so if the 3-4 is out, then why all the talk about tweener DE/OLB's?

The plan is to be flexable and switch back and forth. Really any kind of edge rusher will get our attention.

[Nors]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

The plan is to be flexable and switch back and forth. Really any kind of edge rusher will get our attention.

Ability to play both 3-4 and 4-3


Remember Coleman also - he's a pure 3-4 DE type..... Glover is a bear wherever you line him up.

In a pure 4-3 scenario who is your RDE? lol

Dat and James can play. Look for Shanle to be the LB that steps up. We have draft.


Its not like they have named 4-3 as D yet. Its still up in the air. With 3 of the top 42 picks we can stock up!

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Nors

Ability to play both 3-4 and 4-3


Remember Coleman also - he's a pure 3-4 DE type..... Glover is a bear wherever you line him up.

In a pure 4-3 scenario who is your RDE? lol

Dat and James can play. Look for Shanle to be the LB that steps up. We have draft.


Its not like they have named 4-3 as D yet. Its still up in the air. With 3 of the top 42 picks we can stock up!

All the 3-4 talk is a smoke screen, we want everyone thinking we are headed that way in the draft.

So Coleman is fine in the 3-4 but can't fill the need at RDE.

It is flat out stupid to move your two best DL out of position when you don't have any proven 3-4 LBs.

Screw this hybrid stuff, give me one solid defensive scheme instead of switching between two schemes and having neither as effective as they could be.

Pick the scheme you have the personnel for and make it dominate, and right now we are a lot closer to doing that in the 4-3.

[Nors]

Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells blamed the club's financial reluctance on its defensive alignment indecisiveness. He even told Coakley he wasn't sure if the Cowboys were going to play a 4-3 defense or a 3-4 defense. But he did tell Coakley, if it was the 3-4, then no way could he afford to play the 5-10, 236-pound linebacker inside with a nearly equally-small Dat Nguyen, and even Coakley knew he wasn't the right size to play on the outside of that alignment.

"If they went with the 50 (3-4), my role would be reduced," Coakley said of Parcells' message. "So it was just the uncertainty of not knowing. He just didn't know. He said free agency and the draft would determine which direction they went. But they told me to test the market, and if I could not find something, they would welcome me back.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Nors

Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells blamed the club's financial reluctance on its defensive alignment indecisiveness. He even told Coakley he wasn't sure if the Cowboys were going to play a 4-3 defense or a 3-4 defense. But he did tell Coakley, if it was the 3-4, then no way could he afford to play the 5-10, 236-pound linebacker inside with a nearly equally-small Dat Nguyen, and even Coakley knew he wasn't the right size to play on the outside of that alignment.

"If they went with the 50 (3-4), my role would be reduced," Coakley said of Parcells' message. "So it was just the uncertainty of not knowing. He just didn't know. He said free agency and the draft would determine which direction they went. But they told me to test the market, and if I could not find something, they would welcome me back.

That means what exactly?

Dex was on borrowed time LAST year. He's a speed player that has lost a step, he's become a liability in coverage and he's too small at the point of attack.

Dex was gone because he cost more than he's worth production-wise.

More telling is we have not whiffed at a 3-4 DE or LB in FA. You may be willing to go with Shanle, Thornton, James, Fowler, and O'Neil in increased roles but I'm not close to being sold.