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silverbear · 04-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Muhast

Its not like Clarett robbed a store...

Yeah, he just tried to rip off an insurance company of a few thousand dollars by filing a false police report... wound up paying a fine for filing that false report...

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he just had problems with the ncaa...

You obviously don't have the first clue what you're talking about, so how 'bout I fill you (and the other Clarett apologists) in on the timeline of his troubles to date?? Perhaps it might change your opinion of the guy... this first bit is from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and can be found at the following link:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/c...line0924p9.asp

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Dec. 30 (2002): Denounces Ohio State officials for not allowing him to fly to Youngstown for the funeral of a friend.

Dec. 31: When Ohio State athletic director Andy Geiger says Clarett didn't file the necessary paperwork for emergency financial aid for the flight, Clarett accuses administrators of lying.

Of course, Maurice never produced any copy of the paperwork proving he DID file for emergency financial aid... I guess we're supposed to take the word of an admitted liar over that of the school...

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July 12 (2003): The New York Times quotes a teaching assistant at Ohio State who says Clarett received "preferential treatment."

The full story on that will follow in a little bit...

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July 29: NCAA investigating Clarett's claim that more than $10,000 in clothing, CDs, cash and stereo equipment was stolen in April from a 2001 Chevrolet Monte Carlo he had borrowed from a local dealership. Clarett's attorney, Scott Schiff, later acknowledges many of the items belonged to the dealer, not Clarett, and that Clarett exaggerated the value of some items.

Sept. 9 (2003): Clarett charged with misdemeanor falsification for his claim to police in April that thousands of dollars in goods were stolen from the borrowed car.

So, he lied to police AND to NCAA investigators... doesn't sound like "he just had problems with the NCAA", does it??

Next, we move on to his suspension from Ohio State, to be found by following this link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1612990

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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Maurice Clarett was suspended for the season Wednesday for violating NCAA rules, tarnishing Ohio State's national title and clouding the future of one of the nation's most talented running backs.

Clarett was punished because the school determined he accepted thousands of dollars in improper benefits and then lied to NCAA and school investigators...

Geiger said Clarett was guilty of 14 violations of the ethical-conduct bylaw and two violations of receiving preferential treatment or benefits because he is an athlete.

14 violations of the ethical-conduct code, and 2 instances of receiving improper benefits... FOURTEEN violations... clearly, this guy had his hand out to virtually every booster the Buckeyes had...

Now, here's more documentation on the special benefits given to him when he took those oral exams, again from the folks at ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/2003/0712/1580027.html

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Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett received assistance to pass a class before the Fiesta Bowl, a university professor told The New York Times for a story published Sunday.

Clarett passed African-American and African Studies 101 by taking two oral exams, Paulette Pierce, an associate professor, told The Times. She said she worked directly with Clarett and administered the exams after he walked out of the course's midterm exam during the fall semester.

Again, what bothers me most about this is the way he walked out on that exam... seems like whenever he's not sufficiently prepared for a task, he just quits...

The New York Daily News offers us more on this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...p-141838c.html

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But last year Clarett was suspended from the team for accepting improper benefits and lying to NCAA investigators. He was fined $100 for filing a false police report and inflating the value of items stolen from his car. Then, just this week, it was reported that Bobby Dellimuti, a central figure in Clarett's NCAA scandal, was gambling on college football while having daily contact with Clarett during his freshman season.

So, Clarett was hangin' with known gamblers...

Well, I think you're getting the general idea... and remember, all of these incidents fall within a short, 2 year period...

What emerges is a picture of a competitor who routinely quits when the going gets tough, who is willing to lie on official reports in order to defraud an insurance company, who seems to have had his hand out ever since he arrived on campus...

And that's not even considering the lack of discipline and/or work ethic he showed when he showed up at the combines in less than peak physical condition this year... for God's sake, he had a YEAR to get ready for the biggest job interview in his life, and he shows up unprepared??

What makes you think a guy like that will EVER show the discipline and determination to succeed in the NFL?? From what I can see, this is a guy who takes the easy way out every single time...

Basically, Maurice Clarett is a punk...

phildominator · 04-01-2005

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Basically, Maurice Clarett is a punk...

Could be, but if he can gain 1,700 yards a season, he'll make more money than all of us combined.

Dontcha just lub amerikka?

Hostile · 04-01-2005

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Originally Posted by silverbear

Yeah, he just tried to rip off an insurance company of a few thousand dollars by filing a false police report... wound up paying a fine for filing that false report...

You obviously don't have the first clue what you're talking about, so how 'bout I fill you (and the other Clarett apologists) in on the timeline of his troubles to date?? Perhaps it might change your opinion of the guy... this first bit is from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and can be found at the following link:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/c...line0924p9.asp

Of course, Maurice never produced any copy of the paperwork proving he DID file for emergency financial aid... I guess we're supposed to take the word of an admitted liar over that of the school...

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Game, set, match, Mr. Silver Bear.

Dayton Cowboy · 04-01-2005

I have no issues with Mo on the field itself.. Mo gets himself into trouble on the sidelines and outside of the football arena.. If someone is ever able to bridle is off the field stuff and keep him focused on the game.. Oh.. and he can prove he is able to stay healthy.. Then some team will get an above average back.. That said.. too many IFs for me..

Gibby! · 04-01-2005

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What the hell does that prove????

That he was giving a valid reason for his user name? Did you read the post????

silverbear · 04-01-2005

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Originally Posted by phildominator

Could be, but if he can gain 1,700 yards a season, he'll make more money than all of us combined.

Dontcha just lub amerikka?

Clarett will gain 1700 yards in the NFL about the same time donkeys fly... LOL...

And I have no problem with him making a living in the NFL, if his skills will allow it... I just don't want to see him in a Cowboys uniform...

silverbear · 04-01-2005

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Game, set, match, Mr. Silver Bear.

Hos, I just believe that most of the posters who are so vigorously defending Maurice these days don't know the full extent of his sociopathic behavior, so I figured I'd do a little research and lay it out there for anybody who cares to know the story...

Maybe I'll change a few minds... naw, probably not...

LA=Pancakemaker · 04-01-2005

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QC did lead us to the playoffs, was better than VT

That year our D WAS RANKED #1 Last year ,,, what are d was ranked ...31st?
Defense wins championships!!!

Charles · 04-01-2005

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Originally Posted by silverbear

Yeah, he just tried to rip off an insurance company of a few thousand dollars by filing a false police report... wound up paying a fine for filing that false report...

The guy made a stupid mistake. It was so bad the judicial system only made him pay a fine.

. If he's such a punk ( by the way are you aware that Clarett has never had any prior run in with the law ) why didn't he get probation or jail time or community service. He lied to the CAMPUS police and tried to perpertuate a fraud worth thousands of dollars.

Why wasn't he punishment more severe?

Why did the judicial system let Maurice Clarett plead down to a lesser crime and pay a fine?

Is that a common practice for the judicial system to let punks off the hook? Did Clarett get special treatment?

I doubt it. The DA was smart enough to know that Clarett made a dumb mistake and let him walk. What is $100 to Clarett. He's got more from booster and got paid for working on a job that he didn't even have to show up.

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Originally Posted by silverbear

You obviously don't have the first clue what you're talking about, so how 'bout I fill you (and the other Clarett apologists) in on the timeline of his troubles to date?? Perhaps it might change your opinion of the guy... this first bit is from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and can be found at the following link:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/c...line0924p9.asp

In your haste you didn't even realize that article justifies the opinion that Clarett is worth taking a look. The only mistake made was lying to CAMPUS police, but the article is actually a GREAT resume for Clarett the football player.

January: Begins classes at Ohio State after graduating early from Warren Harding. (oops what is this. This punk began classes before even taking to the field for the Buckeyes. This punk gets no credit for graduating early from High School)

April: Wearing a plastic cast on a broken thumb, Clarett battles three other backs for carries in spring ball. Coach Jim Tressel says, "He's physical and he's having fun. He's going to be a good one." Perfect example of a punk showing NO heart

Aug. 20: Is listed as the starter at running back, the first time a freshman has opened as the starter at the position since 1943.......... Wow in almost 70 years the Buckeyes have never started a freshman RB. Clarett is a natural, a stud. It was proven at the end of the season when the Buckeyes won the National title.

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Of course, Maurice never produced any copy of the paperwork proving he DID file for emergency financial aid... I guess we're supposed to take the word of an admitted liar over that of the school...

So we are supposed to believe the school. Is this the same school under investigation by the same NCAA investigators.

http://www.channel3000.com/cfoot572/4257656/detail.html

The move was necessary after Geiger resigned earlier this year due to a series of high-profile scandals at the university, most notably the NCAA investigation into Maurice Clarett's alleged acceptance of improper benefits while leading the football team to the national championship as a freshman two years ago.

Head football coach Jim Tressel, university professors and boosters alike were all caught up in the scandal, accused by Clarett of providing the star running back with cars, no-show jobs and preferential treatment in the classroom.

The Buckeyes men's basketball team also saw trouble under Geiger's helm amid former coach Jim O'Brien's admission that he paid a recruit $6,000.

O'Brien, who led the team to a share of the Big 10 regular season title in 1999-2000 and 2001-02, was fired in June 2004. He later sued the university in November, saying it owed him more than $3 million on his contract.

The school imposed a one-year postseason ban on the basketball team in December and will not take part in the upcoming Big Ten Conference Tournament.

The entire program is under investigation for lying and cheating, but you went out of your way to single out Clarett as being a punk. Where is the same judgemental attitude towards average players on the Cowboys roster like Leonardo Carson who is on probation for beating his girlfriend.

Why hasn't Ohio imposed any punishment on the Football team? Because they don't suck like the basketball team and if they did it would taint the validity of the National Championship.

You act like Maurice Clarett is the only person with an axe to grind. Andy Geiger resign admist investigation. The tried to hang Maurice out to dry. Maurice could have gone to the CFL or any other minor football league, but his decision to buck the status quo in the NFL is the reason he's being black balled, not because he lied to the CAMPUS police and NCAA investigators. Atleast we know Ohio State also lied if they didn't Andy Geiger (former president of the Ohio State Athletic department) wouldn't have resigned, they wouldn't be under investigation and they wouldn't have self imposed sanctions.

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Originally Posted by silverbear

So, he lied to police AND to NCAA investigators... doesn't sound like "he just had problems with the NCAA", does it??

So he only paid a $100 fine after the DA let him plead down. A very common practice when the defendants a punk.........sarcasm/off.

I think we've also established that Ohio State Athletic department is/was also under investigation. They have also lied, but they get to keep the National Championship and black ball Clarett.

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Originally Posted by silverbear

Next, we move on to his suspension from Ohio State, to be found by following this link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1612990

14 violations of the ethical-conduct code, and 2 instances of receiving improper benefits... FOURTEEN violations... clearly, this guy had his hand out to virtually every booster the Buckeyes had...

Now, here's more documentation on the special benefits given to him when he took those oral exams, again from the folks at ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/2003/0712/1580027.html

Again, what bothers me most about this is the way he walked out on that exam... seems like whenever he's not sufficiently prepared for a task, he just quits...

The New York Daily News offers us more on this:

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$100 fine and getting hung out to dry is the only repercusion for 14 violations and hanging out with known Gamblers. :o

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So, Clarett was hangin' with known gamblers...

Well, I think you're getting the general idea... and remember, all of these incidents fall within a short, 2 year period...

What emerges is a picture of a competitor who routinely quits when the going gets tough, who is willing to lie on official reports in order to defraud an insurance company, who seems to have had his hand out ever since he arrived on campus...

And that's not even considering the lack of discipline and/or work ethic he showed when he showed up at the combines in less than peak physical condition this year... for God's sake, he had a YEAR to get ready for the biggest job interview in his life, and he shows up unprepared??

That is the picture you paint, but reality is very different.

Nothing was ever proven that Clarett gambled or assisted in any Gambling, but of course the media rarely do a follow-up. They just throw it out there to sell the rag.

He only got a $100 fine and the Ohio State Buckeyes athletic department is under investigation too. Andy Geiger a well respected Collegiate person was forced to resign after years of great service.

You question his discipline and work ethic. Some could argue that he showed a lot of discipline and work ethic to stay in shape leading up to the combine. The only task he struggled (did not fail) was in the 40s times. But he was ripped, scupltured and in better shape than he was a year ago. Isn't that a sign of discipline.

He made a dumb mistake in leaving the combine, but he came back and performed better yesterday. Isn't that another sign of discipline and work ethic. Improving oneself to achieve a goal????? The goal was to run better.

He was disciplined enough to graduate from High School early and started attending classes before spring practice. Isn't that a sign of discipline???

Didn't he show heart by beating out other RB as a freshman when he had a broken finger. Didn't he show heart and discipline when he injured his shoulder in a victory, he still played the next week before re-injuring his shoulder early in the game. Dedication to the team, discipline and commitment all in one nut shell.

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Originally Posted by silverbear

What makes you think a guy like that will EVER show the discipline and determination to succeed in the NFL?? From what I can see, this is a guy who takes the easy way out every single time...

Basically, Maurice Clarett is a punk...

Maybe the fact that after he showed up out shape in 2003, he got with the right people who got him in shape, even though he/they did a poor job on his speed training.

Maybe the fact that he again humbled himself after running poorly, ran again and showed improvement.

maybe the fact that Clarett has improved his interviews and know understands why NFL teams want to knowledge about his bacjground, when he initially thought it wasn't necessary. He's growing up and showing maturity.

I am not suprised that you'd think Clarett a punk. History always repeats itself. All the other athletes that bucked the trend or staus quo were, black balled by the media and of course the NFL and scouts aren't going to help out a person who tried to destroy their gravy train/ minor league system.

Trust me there are always two sides to the story. One thing is a FACT.

Claretts undeniable talent to play the RB position. Your article does a great job of proving the point that Clarett is worth a chance.

Wraith584 · 04-01-2005

the new, heavyweight champion of the board, CHARLES

silverbear · 04-01-2005

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The guy made a stupid mistake.

The guy's made a BUNCH of stupid mistakes... just because all of them didn't involve the law doesn't mean he didn't screw up repeatedly...

For 's sake, Ohio State threw him off the team, a year after he led them to a national championship...

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It was so bad the judicial system only made him pay a fine.

And if he hadn't gotten caught early, he would most assuredly have filed a fraudulent claim with that insurance company, in the process committing a very serious FELONY...

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If he's such a punk ( by the way are you aware that Clarett has never had any prior run in with the law )

I see- since he's only had one run-in with the law, he's not a punk... never mind that Ohio State got so fed up with him that they sent him packing...

And of course, there's nothing questionable at all about his supposedly poor mother suddenly coming up with 15 grand to buy an SUV from the same dealer who "loaned" him the car that got broken into...

Have you had many car dealers willing to loan you a car, hoss?? Or did Clarett take advantage of his celebrity status...

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why didn't he get probation or jail time or community service. He lied to the CAMPUS police and tried to perpertuate a fraud worth thousands of dollars.

Why wasn't he punishment more severe?

Most likely because he's a celebrity in the Columbus area...

Using your logic, Leonard Little isn't a murderer, even though he killed a woman while driving drunk... I mean, he's still playing NFL football, so what he did can't be all that serious, right??

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In your haste you didn't even realize that article justifies the opinion that Clarett is worth taking a look. The only mistake made was lying to CAMPUS police,

Oh, so there's nothing wrong with lying to CAMPUS police?? Even if he tells that lie so that he can defraud an insurance company out of thousands of dollars??

Your moral compass is pretty screwed up, pal...

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So we are supposed to believe the school. Is this the same school under investigation by the same NCAA investigators.

ROTFLMAO... your link clearly states that the focus of that investigation was CLARETT... and they ultimately took independent action, kicking him off the team...

How disingenuous of you, to try to defend Clarett by ragging on the Ohio State's problems with the NCAA, when most of the problems were created by Clarett himself...

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Head football coach Jim Tressel, university professors and boosters alike were all caught up in the scandal, accused by Clarett of providing the star running back with cars, no-show jobs and preferential treatment in the classroom.

And Clarett TOOK all of those improper benefits, even knowing they were violations of NCAA rules... BTW, if there is evidence that Tressel provided any of those benefits, it's news to me... looks like you're just so desperate to justify what the punk did that you'll cast aspersions on everybody else...

That's right, it's not Clarett's fault at all, it's the school, the coach and boosters alike who MADE him go bad...

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The entire program is under investigation for lying and cheating, but you went out of your way to single out Clarett as being a punk.

I calls 'em like I sees 'em... and what I see when I look at Maurice Clarett is a guy who has ALWAYS been willing to take the dirty money, who has ALWAYS been quite willing to take shortcuts rather than doing things the right way...

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You act like Maurice Clarett is the only person with an axe to grind.

Perhaps that's because Maurice Clarett is the only person in this story who could conceivably wind up playing for my favorite football team... I don't give a rat's behind about Ohio State or any of the other participants, they mean less than nothing to me...

Clarett wouldn't mean a thing to me either, if he wasn't draft-eligible this year...

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Andy Geiger resign admist investigation. The tried to hang Maurice out to dry.

That's right, the punk is just an innocent VICTIM... and of course, he's done NOTHING to try to hang Ohio State out to dry... like when he claimed the the university wouldn't give him the air fare to attend the funeral of a friend (which they're apparently allowed to do)... turns out he didn't bother to file the necessary paperwork to get those funds, so there was no way the school COULD legally pay for that flight... of course, he claims he filed the paperwork, but he couldn't show us a copy of that paperwork... absent that, we really need to remember that he's already been convicted of LYING to the police...

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Maurice could have gone to the CFL or any other minor football league, but his decision to buck the status quo in the NFL is the reason he's being black balled,

Chortle... I find myself wondering if Clarett is as paranoid as you are... there is no "black balling" going on, Clarett will be in this draft, and will undoubtedly wind up being selected by some team... and if he winds up being drafted somewhat lower than his skills suggest he should, that won't be because of the NFL "conspiring" to get back at him, it will be because of his lengthy string of antisocial incidents...

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So he only paid a $100 fine after the DA let him plead down. A very common practice when the defendants a punk.........sarcasm/off.

Are you suggesting that's the ONLY problem he's had in college?? Further, are you suggesting that attempts to defraud insurance companies are no big deal??

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$100 fine and getting hung out to dry is the only repercusion for 14 violations and hanging out with known Gamblers. :o

Well, that's a pretty STOOPID thing to say... seems to me that getting kicked off the team and thrown off campus is another pretty big repercussion for those 14 violations...

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Nothing was ever proven that Clarett gambled or assisted in any Gambling, but of course the media rarely do a follow-up. They just throw it out there to sell the rag.

I never suggested he did... really, are you obtuse??

The NFL and the NCAA both have rules against players hanging out with known gamblers... Clarett knew that, but he still hung out with one...

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He only got a $100 fine and the Ohio State Buckeyes athletic department is under investigation too.

That argument is entirely irrelevant here... yes, the school is under investigation, and yes, it was folks connected with the school who "tempted" that poor, INNOCENT young man... they have culpability in this...

But Clarett could have CHOSEN to do the right thing, he could have CHOSEN to not take those improper benefits... Ohio State's culpability in now way mitigates Clarett's...

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You question his discipline and work ethic. Some could argue that he showed a lot of discipline and work ethic to stay in shape leading up to the combine.

He WASN'T in shape at the combine... in fact, there were quotes about his private workout talking about how he looked more chiseled than he did at the combines...

Looks like you're engaging in a little revisionist history here...

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The only task he struggled (did not fail) was in the 40s times.

ROTFLMAO... perhaps that's because he QUIT after running his 40s... didn't do another drill... it's kinda hard to struggle in drills you don't participate in, wouldn't you say??

And I'd say that a running back who runs in the 4.7 to 4.8 range has "failed"...

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He made a dumb mistake in leaving the combine, but he came back and performed better yesterday.

Actually, his 40 times at his private workout were no better than his times at the combine... at the combine, he was electronically timed, at his workout he was hand timed... scouts say that can make as much as a full tenth of a difference in the results, and he ran a little less than a tenth of a second faster at his private workout...

And even if you accept your suggestion that he performed "better", he didn't perform WELL... he couldn't even crack 4.65 seconds in the 40, and that's not even good speed for a freaking linebacker... times in the 4.65-4.7 second range are actually quite SLOW for an NFL running back...

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Isn't that another sign of discipline and work ethic.

Yeah, it's real impressive-- he runs a disappointing 40 time at the combine, then decides that he'll take another shot at it a few weeks later... you would expect that part of his effort to improve his time would be to shed a few pounds, but he shows up at his workout two pounds HEAVIER...

If he was working in those intervening weeks, he was working stupid...

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Improving oneself to achieve a goal????? The goal was to run better.

No, the goal was to run fast enough to convince scouts that he's fast enough to play in the NFL...

If you like the punk, you're welcome to him... I'll bet you're a big fan or Randy Moss and Plaxico Burress, too...

chargrove · 04-01-2005

He was a bit of a fumbler, too.

silverbear · 04-01-2005

chargrove stated:

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He was a bit of a fumbler, too.

A FUMBLER??!?

That may be the worst indictment of all, LOL...

I guess I just didn't pay real close attention to his freshman year...

Q_the_man · 04-01-2005

Clarett was 18 years old, he made mistakes, oh well everybody does...... But tell me who gave Clarett a job that he got paid at but did not show up to work? Who gave Clarett money in high school, who gave money to Clarett in College, Boosters from Ohio State who knows that is wrong....

I can see if Clarett was 25 and making mistakes but he was 18, still learning the game and not the game of Football but the game of life.....

Would the Cowboys kept Micheal Irvin if he was catching 6 passes a year when he was using dope, probably not, but Irvin was catching 80 balls for 1200 yards so they turn the other cheek.....Is that right?

he lied, period and like I said, I'll say it once and I'll say it again everybody lies or have told a lie....

BARRYRAY · 04-01-2005

Well Emmitt has at least one or two love children running around in addition to the ones by his wife so its not like he's saintly or anything either...