Wes Bunting Mock Draft 3.0

[Picksix]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Not with Konz's medical background

You keep making this point, and it's valid. But any team interested in this guy is going to fully examine this, and develop their own opinions. The thing is, we as fans never know the full story, only what we read and hear. We don't really know how "risky" his condition really is.

I don't know your medical background or knowledge. You might be a vascular surgeon for all I know, but that doesn't mean you know every detail about Konz's history. So with all due respect, my point is that it might be a bit premature writing someone off without having all the information.

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by realtick

I keep hearing you alluding to the fact Kirkpatrick isn't a team guy. Where are you getting this?

Any college kid who smokes weed is a terrible person who makes your football team automatically worse. Don't you know these things?

[baj1dallas]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

The overall priority of the position?

Is this guy trying to tell me CB is a more important position than OG?

Probably since it's most certainly true. How many guards get drafted in the first round a year compared to CBs?

[28 Joker]

Originally Posted by Future

Man, I have such a hard time passing up on a guy like DeCastro.

Dre or Jenkins might be a better pick for right now, but this guy could be great on the OLine for like 12 years. Corners are so hit or miss...this guy is a sure thing. I really have a hard time passing up on him.

I heard Bunting on a podcast state that he would indeed draft DeCastro over Upshaw, Ingram, and Kirkpatrick. Bunting stated that DeCastro was a solid "double", and he talked about how high he graded him. Bunting mentioned his grade on Pouncy (Steelers).

[28 Joker]

K.C. Joyner analyzed Kirkpatrick's cover skills by looking at film (from 2 different years), including 7 key games in 2011. I think this Cowboys Nation link is worth a look. Vela spoke to Joyner and documented his chat in this post. Joyner's analysis should raise some caution about drafting Kirkpatrick at 14, imo.

http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/01...d-college.html

[jnday]

Originally Posted by realtick

I keep hearing you alluding to the fact Kirkpatrick isn't a team guy. Where are you getting this?

Kirkpatrick is kind of like Mallet from last year . There has been rumors of him liking the " thug life" long before his recent bust . I still think Dallas blew it with a chance to get Mallet in the third . No way would I have took the risk on Mallet in the first , and he never actually got busted . Kirkpatrick has been busted for dope , and has just as many rumors as Mallet had . I just can't see the risk being worth it in the first .

[realtick]

Originally Posted by jnday

Kirkpatrick is kind of like Mallet from last year . There has been rumors of him liking the " thug life" long before his recent bust . I still think Dallas blew it with a chance to get Mallet in the third . No way would I have took the risk on Mallet in the first , and he never actually got busted . Kirkpatrick has been busted for dope , and has just as many rumors as Mallet had . I just can't see the risk being worth it in the first .

I know he (or a friend) got busted (charges later dropped) for possession of marijuana a few weeks ago. As far as the other issues you're alluding to regarding Kirkpatrick, this is the first time I've heard anything raised on the subject.

Mallett had long lingering drug use rumors at Arkansas. His character/leadership was also questioned.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by realtick

Sameseez.

I disagree.. if DeCastro is there, i think we almost have to take him.

Another reason, besides being a very very good OG prospect and a potential long term pro bowler and all pro at a position (interior OL) that we desperately need to upgrade, is that i really feel like there are a number of CB's that we could get in the second round that could start for us from day 1 and play well.

Leonard Johnson, Janoris Jenkins if he drops because of the off the field stuff, Brandon Boykin, Jayron Hosley, etc..

Alfonzo Dennard is also a guy that could slide into the second round.

I'd also look into trading down if possible to pick up an extra second or late first. If we could get three picks in the first two rounds we could come out of it with a very good OG, CB, and rush LB. This draft to me is deep at all three positions.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

I disagree.. if DeCastro is there, i think we almost have to take him.

Another reason, besides being a very very good OG prospect and a potential long term pro bowler and all pro at a position (interior OL) that we desperately need to upgrade, is that i really feel like there are a number of CB's that we could get in the second round that could start for us from day 1 and play well.

Leonard Johnson, Janoris Jenkins if he drops because of the off the field stuff, Brandon Boykin, Jayron Hosley, etc..

Alfonzo Dennard is also a guy that could slide into the second round.

I'd also look into trading down if possible to pick up an extra second or late first. If we could get three picks in the first two rounds we could come out of it with a very good OG, CB, and rush LB. This draft to me is deep at all three positions.

DeCastro is my #1 guy on my board too. I was responding to Doomsday saying he wouldn't be mad if we ended up with Kirkpatrick, which I wouldn't either if DeCastro wasn't available to us.

Of the other CBs avialable, I only view Janoris Jenkins as a potential starter. I really like Brandon Boykin. In fact, I'd take Boykin over Dennard.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by realtick

DeCastro is my #1 guy on my board too. I was responding to Doomsday saying he wouldn't be mad if we ended up with Kirkpatrick, which I wouldn't either if DeCastro wasn't available to us.

Of the other CBs avialable, I only view Janoris Jenkins as a potential starter. I really like Brandon Boykin. In fact, I'd take Boykin over Dennard.

Yea, i guess i'd be ok with Dre too if DeCastro was gone and we couldn't find a team to trade back. If we could though, i think Jenkins, Dennard, Leonard Johnson, and Brandon Boykin could all be starters for us from day 1 next year. My preference would be Johnson, Jenkins, or Boykin. If we could get any of those guys in the second round and pick up and extra first or second and get a pass rushing OLB and an OG it'd be an A plus draft already for me.

Brandon Washington, Kevin Zeitler, Osemele, Cordy Glenn, any of those guys would be a good OG pick in the late first/early second.

Whitey Mercilus, Vinny Curry, Nick Perry, Andre Branch, any of those would be great late first/early second round pass rushers to take.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

Yea, i guess i'd be ok with Dre too if DeCastro was gone and we couldn't find a team to trade back. If we could though, i think Jenkins, Dennard, Leonard Johnson, and Brandon Boykin could all be starters for us from day 1 next year. My preference would be Johnson, Jenkins, or Boykin. If we could get any of those guys in the second round and pick up and extra first or second and get a pass rushing OLB and an OG it'd be an A plus draft already for me.

Brandon Washington, Kevin Zeitler, Osemele, Cordy Glenn, any of those guys would be a good OG pick in the late first/early second.

Whitey Mercilus, Vinny Curry, Nick Perry, Andre Branch, any of those would be great late first/early second round pass rushers to take.

According to the draft value charts, if we move down the 1st round to even say the 17th pick, that should be worth a 3rd round pick in return. Not too shabby.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by realtick

I know he (or a friend) got busted (charges later dropped) for possession of marijuana a few weeks ago. As far as the other issues you're alluding to regarding Kirkpatrick, this is the first time I've heard anything raised on the subject.

Mallett had long lingering drug use rumors at Arkansas. His character/leadership was also questioned.

I read of Kirkpatricks problems a good while before his bust . To be honest , I was shocked . He has done a good job keeping it quiet . I really wasn't surprised with the bust after reading some earlier info .

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by jnday

I read of Kirkpatricks problems a good while before his bust . To be honest , I was shocked . He has done a good job keeping it quiet . I really wasn't surprised with the bust after reading some earlier info .

Care to share this info? Because you seem to be the only 1 who knows about it. I looked through the 1st 4 pages of a google search of "Dre Kirkpatrick character concern" and couldnt find anything other than his recent arrest. Also, every scouting report done seems to have missed this info. Because there were no red flags up until his recent arrest.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by tm1119

Care to share this info? Because you seem to be the only 1 who knows about it. I looked through the 1st 4 pages of a google search of "Dre Kirkpatrick character concern" and couldnt find anything other than his recent arrest. Also, every scouting report done seems to have missed this info. Because there were no red flags up until his recent arrest.

Agreed, i'd be interested to see this alleged info, as well.

[Hoofbite]

I don't pass on DeCastro.

I'm sick of crappy OLs.